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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
There's been a lot of debate about how best to incorporate variant Titan weapons into normal Imperial armies (Armies other than the AMTL) in Epic: Armageddon over time, with two basic schools of thought on how best to do this. EDIT: Here's a link to a recent discussion on this topic: http://www.tacticalwargames.net/cgi-bin....39;st=0 Here's a Titans weapons-costings list myself and a few of the forum members here have worked on: http://www.tacticalwargames.net/cgi-bin....;t=7360 Here's the AMTL 2.0 one-cost-fits-all list: http://www.dysartes.com/AMTL/AMTLv2.pdf |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
My personal preference has been stated elsewhere... but let's vote! FIRST SYSTEM Pros: - The list is very simple to work with. All Warlord Titans cost 850 points, all Warhounds 250, etc. Cons: - This system results in 'bland' Titans, where all the flavour and special rules of the better Titan weapons has to be removed in order to make no weapon superior to another. (Ie: Vortex missile becomes just another flavourless one-shot) - Certain Titan configurations undoubtedly result in underpriced, cheap & over-effective support for certain armies (ie: cheap TK power for Marines). - Weapons system combinations are not limited in the background, but they are in this type of list to prevent Titans becoming too powerful. - Head / Upgrade types have to be limited in number otherwise the principle of simplicity behind the list is lost. SECOND SYSTEM - Titans should be priced according to their weapons fit, with the hull costing a set price, and the individual weapons costing a certain ammount each. As a consequence, weapons can be given a wider variety of stats; some Titans will be indisputably more powerful than others. Pros: - With a wider variety of weapons stats available, interesting & flavourful weapons like the Vortex Missile, the Warp Missile, the Head varients etc, can be returned to Epic: Armageddon. - Unlike with the single-cost system, cheap synergistic combinations will not exist. - This system is more like the background (Where weapon systems are not limited) than the one-cost system. - Upgrade modifications do not have to be so strictly limited in number. Cons: - It is more complex to build a Titan. Your Warlord will not always cost 850 points. Sometimes it'll be a little more, sometimes a little less. If you take a supremely high-powered combination (Say four Volcano Cannons & a Deathstrike Cannon head), it may cost well over 1000 points! |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
I'm cleary for the Second System . |
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| Author: | Dwarf Supreme [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
I'm sure most of you can guess how I voted. |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
I prefer the "Weapons by Cost" method as opposed to "All Titan Cost the Same" method. I also like to vote. |
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
Note: If you have any objective pros or cons to be added to the list, post below and I'll edit them in. The Pros and Cons listed are not even vaguely objective but are instead laden with assumptions. Details in the other thread so as to not hijack this one. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
Please write your own pros and cons. Attempting objectivity, the pros and cons I listed above appear to be the most common opinions. However I'll move them to the second post to make clear they are only my interpretation and not (entirely) fact. My refutation has been posted in the other thread.  |
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| Author: | Lord Inquisitor [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
There isn't an option for "priced differently for the weapons AND THE CONTEXT OF THE LIST" Still a factor. Lord =I= |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
Sorry, I'm full of mistakes today.
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| Author: | CAL001 [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
E&C did you post on SG with a link to the vote? CAL P.S Good start so far mate. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
(CAL001 @ Sep. 15 2006,22:50) QUOTE E&C did you post on SG with a link to the vote? CAL P.S Good start so far mate. I did indeed. http://www.specialist-games.com/forum/t ... IC_ID=8926 |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
I voted #2 ... but to make things easy ... standardize configurations; like on Naval vessels. Or on the old AT1 Cards. However this might require a lot various configurations ... |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
(Legion 4 @ Sep. 16 2006,05:58) QUOTE I voted #2 ... but to make things easy ... standardize configurations; like on Naval vessels. Or on the old AT1 Cards. However this might require a lot various configurations ... Dozens. 
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
If not more ... We made data cards for each of our Titan Configs ... based on the AT1/CT rules. And the model reflected that ... those pics are posted on the 6mm modeling link ... For example we never use C/Cbt Wpns (like putting a ram on the USS Mo. !?!). Our concept was that Titans are Super Heavy Mobile Wpns Platforms [SHMWP]... Move on to the board and start blasting away ... take out the OPFOR's Titan(s) first, then TKs/SHAFVs/FA, etc. So configurations, for us would include, Heads types, Missiles, Lgt Spt Msls, etc. ... But as always DWWFY ... 
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Titan Weapons Poll. |
But as always DWWFY ... I get that this means something like 'do whatever you feel like'. But that's not good enough, we need a standardized system... right now Epic has a titan-shaped hole in it. Originally due to lack of funds, and in latter days due to inertia. So yeah, we might as well try getting the beast moving again... |
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