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Author:  Periodic [ Mon Jul 21, 2003 7:58 am ]
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Well insomnia's in full form so I thought I'd ask you smart folk a few questions that I've been indecisive on.

With Epic:Armageddon I want to start a new army that I can playtest with and such. I have several armies (LOTS of space marines, Eldar, Chaos, Orks, and Knights) dating back to Space Marine 2nd edition, but they're pretty dated. For starters the paint jobs are pretty awful (Blood Angels = Red Guy with little black line hopefully over his gun). They're all very much a product of their era as far as appearance and organization goes... they just look antiquated and visually uninspiring.

Since then my painting skills have significantly improved (I seriously tried dunking my blood angels in red paint at one point), and more importantly my desire to get involved with the aesthetic side is significantly more pronounced. So basically I want to start a new, pretty army, built around EA's force organizations.

All that long-winded exposition boils down to this:

Chaos. I'm almost positive I want to start a chaos army, for a number of reasons:

* I've got all sorts of ancient metal chaos stuff, like Lords of Battle and Magnus the Red and Daemons back from when they were really freaking tall

* With all the unbased plastic I've got, I have something like 10 different basic marine infantry units. Being able to have such dynamic stands is just really, really cool.

*I likes 'em a lot.

The problem is, Chaos seems to be a bit of a mess currently, with an uncertain future. The Black Legion list seems like it could potentially be an abortion, and people seem(ed) to be whining en masse about how it's really unbalanced. Currently, no one seems to really be discussing the list, further implying that its gone down the tubes. Even worse, Chaos is scheduled dead last to get full support.

Some of you guys have been following this more closely then I, so my first question to you is if you think starting a Chaos army this early might be a bit premature or unwise. Is Chaos, at this stage, really a feasible and balanced army?

Second question: If you look closely at the 2nd edition Chaos Plastics, each of the four primary traitor legions is represented. Has anyone ever tried to specifically use those models to represent that legion? Specifically, since Thousand Sons have got some mention in here, how do you represent the 1kSons' whole headdress thing? I'm looking for ideas on how to do a Tzeentch legion since thats what I've mostly got, and 'cus TZEETNZTNTNCH IZ KOOL. :D

Third Question: I'd like to rebase and repaint some of my mini's. How do you guys rebase infantry, and how do you guys go about stripping paint from 6mm's? Do you just let the guys individually soak in your solvent of choice, or do you keep them on the base?

Okay, bye bye. :D

-Periodic.
Author:  nealhunt [ Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:25 pm ]
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Hey:  I would say at the moment, chaos is not feasible.  The list will undoubtedly be updated dramatically, so there's no real point in even trying to put anything together based on what's out.

As far as Tzeentch, there is little chance they will get a decent treatment any time soon.  So, unless you are doing it for your own amusement (and I am), I wouldn't go crazy.  I understand the Black Legion and Lost and Damned lists being out first, but after that it's likely to be Khorne and Nurgle because they are the most popular.  There seems to be little support for Tzeentch in 40K, and I expect that will spill over.

As far as stripping, there might still be a thread on the 6mm conversions page of the forums.  Several people on here had large pieces of text and links that they can post which would no doubt be more informative than I.
Author:  MaksimSmelchak [ Mon Jul 21, 2003 4:16 pm ]
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You might want to use what you have until the rules solidify a little more. I had to redo my Orks several times. In fact, some of the infantry units still have odd numbers. I reccomend building and painting the vehilces and waiting on the infantry until two or more revisions pass with the playtest rules.

Of course, you could do what I did and just start painting and darn the changes!  :D

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Author:  Legion 4 [ Mon Jul 21, 2003 4:50 pm ]
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The E-A Chaos list is still "under construction", so I'd wait or paint and base at your own risk ... I've been playing Epic since SM1 in '90 and I've learned to do what works for us and not necessarily what G/W says.  We still use the SM1 templates with some modifications, based on new releases.  Do what works for you ... :;):
Author:  dafrca [ Mon Jul 21, 2003 5:24 pm ]
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Before you do anything, I would look at the new list. As others have said, the changes the chaos list could go through might be major (sort of chaos'ish like! :p ).

The new list can be found at:

http://www.specialist-games.com/epic40k/Vault.htm

Dafrca.
Author:  Tas [ Tue Jul 22, 2003 1:13 am ]
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G'day!

I had exactly the same thoughts but am contenting myself with just collecting the figures at the moment.  I'll finish up my Ork and IG armeis and see what happens with the GW list.  If I'm not happy with the official lists, I'll be going the way of L4; my own!

You 'll find the thread on stripping plastic minis at:

http://www.epic40k.co.uk/epicomm....7;t=141
Author:  Legion 4 [ Tue Jul 22, 2003 6:15 am ]
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Works for me ... anymore G/W is just a guideline ... :laugh:
Author:  primarch [ Tue Jul 22, 2003 2:18 pm ]
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Hi!

I agree with Tas and Legion4, if you have you're own ideas on how it should be organized do so. Besides there is no guarantee that your wait for GW to catch up wont be as long as the last wait for chaos (which, by the way people are STILL waiting for).

Primarch
Author:  Legion 4 [ Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:37 pm ]
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Free yourself from G/W & Jervis's oppression !!!  :laugh:
Author:  Periodic [ Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:55 pm ]
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Thanks for the info, I found the article on stripping plastics, though I was actually more curious about basing issues. Guess I'll ask that on the other forum where it's more appropriate.

Legion4, I'd do my own thing, except thats not the point of this army. I have plenty of little army men to field, but like I said, they're antiquated with bad paint jobs and bad (according to this edition) organization. And I really like rectangle bases.

The new chaos list up at the vault rememdies a few problems I had with the old list, namely the GOBS of infantry you could potentially get in a single formation, especially if you were regularly taking cult troops. The guys were like freaking orks. ?:oo

The list still has problems with a lack of variety though, mostly having to do with the limited scope Jervis has given the list. What really annoys me is how useless the Lost and the Damned list is though. I mean, is there ANYONE out there who had nothing but cultists and daemon engines? And they only get one formation? Is this going to be a trend with chaos lists?

What would make both lists far, far better IMO, would be to allow either list to take 25% of the other as allies. That would give the Black Legion another very interesting formation to contrast the orgy of marines, not to mention be totally in character, as well as give the LatD more formation options.

That would be a list I would play, no question. I've got 100something unbased beastmen just crying out for a use.

I've personally sort of decided to do a compromise of doing a chapter thats just turned renegade and started worshipping Tzeentch. This means that I can switch hit between the loyalist list and Black Legion. It'l be mostly vanilla marines on the stands, with the occasional sorceror or chaos marine thrown in to represent a particularly Tzeentch-blessed warrior. I'll also be doing the necessary loyalist and chaos stuff to flesh out their respective versions. All in all, it should be interesting. I'll kind of be able to do a before and after: The loyalist representing when they were practicing evil chaos stuff before they were caught, and the black legion list representing after they were driven away and hooked up with some other chaos dudes.

Should be cool. Just need some cool paint schemes and a chapter name. And some rectangle bases. Do they still sell those?

-Periodic.
Author:  Legion 4 [ Tue Jul 22, 2003 5:11 pm ]
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Well regardless of all that, you have to do want you want, no matter what I or anyone else says ! :;):  I have my Armies (and I collect all including Squats & Tau) on both square and some long bases, since most of my forces date from SM1 '90 (!).  And yes, I believe G/W US still sells the long rectangular Epic bases.  Just call them, I have G/W US MO on speed dial !  Good luck on your quest for the Chaos Forces of your choice ... I don't know if you read my other posts about Chaos, but I have a large Chaos Army including all 4 Major Powers & Undivided + Cultists based on SM1 Templates. :cool:
Author:  Jimbo [ Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:13 am ]
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In case you missed it...

The release date for Epic Armageddon is now February 2004.
Author:  TuffSkull [ Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:58 pm ]
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They are determined to stick to that as well, although with a possible remake of the new landraider and the fact that they arent starting to paint the majority of Ork forces until October, I can see some of the model releases being slightly delayed.
Author:  netepic [ Mon Sep 15, 2003 1:24 pm ]
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True - although it was really late Jan that it will be coming out to conincide with the Feb release of WD.

So something for us to spend our christmas money then :).
Author:  primarch [ Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:54 pm ]
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Hi!

As I have stated before, I think putting off its release after the Christmas season is a good thing. There will be too much stronger competition from the main GW lines in this season and the release of a fanatic game will very likely "fall under the radar" if it competes head to head in that season with established GW games.

Being by itself in Feb gives it a better chance to be noticed and bought.

Primarch
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