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| Author: | dafrca [ Thu Jul 17, 2003 2:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Chaos questions |
I believe the use of DBM was not to say the rules or play style would be even close to DBM. I think the idea was to show how the other GW games used the lists to bring out many new rules that all lists could use and thus a problem with Rules Creep and uber combos shows up on a regular basis. The "base" rules become a large and unmanageable mess. From what I understood, Jervis was saying his goal was to limit the rules creep and unforseen power combos by limiting the list cross overs. If I take the powerful Jetbikes from Eldar list #1 I do not get to take the powerful ultra tank from Eldar list #5. My whole army comes from either list but not both. This contrasts with 40k today where the list cross over is the norm and as each new unit/list/book comes out the new is mixed with the old and odd uber-power combos are found where the designers did not expect them. Of course this is just my take on what Jervis was saying. dafrca |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Thu Jul 17, 2003 3:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Chaos questions |
As I said in my "less than serious" remark ... "I can't wait !" , I'm interested in how this plays out. Although I'm very "old school" and thought that the SM1 & SM2 methods worked well, however, any game design has to be careful about being too detailed or not (!) ... so I'd like to see how they work this out, I think they are going to the "too much info" side. But I'll withhold judgement ... for now ...  But I'm all for campaign, battle and unit data. 
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| Author: | dafrca [ Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:53 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Chaos questions | ||
I agree, I am waiting to see as well. I disliked the WH40k rules creep (flood) and the fact it got to a point where I could not play an army without 4 or 5 books. If Jervis can pull this off (and that is an if) then I would only need the basic rules and the one army list I deside to play that day. Could be nice  Of course if it does not work out then the rules creep could be even worse then the 40k problem  dafrca |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Sat Jul 19, 2003 4:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Chaos questions |
"Rule Creep" can be a bad thing ... some of the stuff I read on the E-A boards, comes close. But again we'll wait and see ... And trying to make E-A more like 40K (in some respects) is clearly a bad thing ... in my mind.
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| Author: | Tas [ Sun Jul 20, 2003 10:54 am ] | ||
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here here. Just look at what happened in 2nd Ed. It was a consequence of background development sure, but to start from such a position can only be fatal. |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Sun Jul 20, 2003 2:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Chaos questions |
By trying "to be all things to all people", the E-A experiment is far from over. The "bottom line" will be seen late fall/winter, of this year ... 
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Chaos questions |
I posted an updated list in .doc format to the EpicA Yahoo group. ?PG is going to pdf it and post it to the epic_lists group also. I split the termies into rubric and chosen, added some background and explanatory notes, and generally cleaned it up (proof, edit, etc.). I am still open to input if anyone has anything they want to comment on. ?And, of course, I'd love to hear any playtest results. I almost forgot... color scheme for the Storm Lords Titan Legion was initially blue and purple, with white and black checks for accent. The blue was a medium/royal blue and the purple was very light, almost lavender. |
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| Author: | Tas [ Tue Sep 09, 2003 10:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Chaos questions |
Have you got any pics of a Storm Lords Titan? maybe from an old AT or something? Sounds good! |
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| Author: | stormseer [ Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Chaos questions |
This picture: Storm Lords might prove to be of interest... 
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| Author: | Tas [ Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Chaos questions |
Indeed- many thanks! |
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| Author: | primarch [ Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Chaos questions |
Hi! Stormseer is that picture from the old Codex Titanicus? WD? Seems very familiar. Primarch |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Wed Sep 10, 2003 5:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Chaos questions |
Yes, I've seen that pic before ... I think in Codex Titanicus ! IIRC
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| Author: | darkone26 [ Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Chaos questions |
I like the pic but I dont remember it.... If its in the titanicus book which I have somewhere, then I really did miss it, good knows how...looks looks really good. Neal : where did you get the titan colours from? Is there somewhere it states what colours certain titan legions had? |
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| Author: | MaksimSmelchak [ Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Chaos questions |
Cool stuff. Thanks. Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. |
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Chaos questions |
As I worked on this post, it slowly became a minor tour de force of titan links. =============== The pic above of the Storm Lords is from Armorcast. They also published a list of all the GW-source titan legions as of Inquisitor 14. That's their pub, not the GW Inquisitor game pub. Since this has come up several times in the past, I've copied it for the forum: http://www.armorcast.com/inquisitor/archive/number14/ LOYAL TITAN LEGIONS Legio Canis Colors: unknown Forge World: unknown Princeps Senioris: Andy Chambers Legio Crucius Colors: unknown Emperor Class Titan Praeco Deictus destroyed vs Chaos on Kado Deathbolts Colors: unknown Forge World: Esteban VII Grand Master: Thordun Ranxey Notes: “None Escape Vengeance” Legio Destructor (Steel Beasts) Colors: unknown Forge World: unknown Grand Master: Thaedius Wilson Notes: “Big Death”, largest Titan Legion with over 100 Titans Legio Honorum Colors: unknown Forge World: Stygies VIII Notes: Replaced Vulcanum I, II Legio Ignatium (Fire Wasps) Colors: Black, red, yellow Forge World: Mars (1 of 3) Notes: Crusades. Emperor’s Guard, hates Legio Mortis Imperial Eagles Colors: unknown Forge World: unknown Notes: “Emperor’s Enemies Beware” Legio Metallica (Iron Skulls) Colors: Red with yellow/black or white/black stripes Forge World: unknown Princeps Senioris Kurt Mannheim killed on Amegeddon Notes: Heavy losses on Armegeddon Morning Stars Colors: Green, yellow, white Forge World: unknown Legio Ordo Sinister Colors: unknown Forge World: unknown Grand Master: Ferromort Notes: 12 Emperor class Titans enforce Pax Imperium Legio Preator Colors: unknown Forge World: unknown Triplex Phall Notes: vs Hive Fleet Behemoth (McCragge) Legio Ultima Colors: unknown Forge World: unknown Fist with Bolt symbol Legio Victorum Colors: Blue, yellow trim Forge World: unknown Nova Guard Colors: unknown Forge World: unknown Warp Runners Colors: Blue with Flames Notes: Fought at battle of Tallarn War Griffons Colors: Gray, yellow Forge World: Gryphonne IV Firebrands Colors: red, white carapace Forge World: unknown Imperial Fists Colors: blue, some red trim Forge World: unknown Imperial Hunters Colors: pale green, red trim Forge World: unknown Cockatrices Colors: unknown Forge World: unknown TRAITOR TITAN LEGIONS Tiger Eyes Colors: unknown Forge World: unknown Legio Vulcanum I, II Colors: unknown Forge World: Stygies VIII Notes: Beaten by Eldar into Eye of Terror Storm Lords Colors: purple, blue Forge World: unknown Legio Mortis (Death’s Heads) Colors: Black with red trim Forge World: unknown Notes: Breached Emperor’s palace during Horus Heresy, now in Eye of Terror, also fought on Paramar and Tallarn. Flaming Skulls Colors: Red to yellow blend, yellow carapace with black/red tiger stripes Forge World: unknown Fire Masters Colors: Black with yellow flames Forge World: unknown ELDAR CRAFTWORLD TITAN CLANS Fir Dinillainn (Protectors Of The Fallen) Crafworld: Siam Hann Colors: Imperial Purple (magenta), black Was originally Fir Lirillyon (Knights Of Purpose) Fir Farillecassion (Watchers Over Ancient Wrongs) Crafworld: Beil Tann Colors: Bone, gunmetal Was Lirillyon Fir Iolarion (Eagles Born Of Fire) Colors: Blue, gold Craftworld: Lugannath or Iyanden-contradictions on pages 54 and 55 of the original Codex Titanicus Warp Gate catastrophy Fir Lirithion (Hearts Armoured for Battle) Colors: Green, gold Craftworld: Iyanden Anti-war ======= Armocast lists the following sources on their site from when they had the GW license: http://www.armorcast.com/warhammer40k/PaintingTips.html TITAN PAINT SCHEMES REFERENCE SOURCES The second edition Titan Legions Codex Titanicus book has color schemes for three Imperial Titan orders (Legio Victorum, Legio Ignatum, Legio Metallica) and two unspecified Eldar Titan clans as well as Goff and Evil Sunz Ork clans. The first edition Adeptus Titanicus rulebook has color schemes for the Imperial Fire Wasps and traitor Death's Heads Titan orders as well as a useful short article on painting Epic Titans. The first edition Codex Titanicus book has color schemes for three more Imperial Titan orders (Warp Runners, Morning Stars, War Griffons) and two more traitor orders (Flaming Skulls, Stormlords). Also described and pictured are four Eldar Titan clans. The old Battle Titans box also has Epic size banners and flags for Imperial Titan orders Fire Brands, Imperial Fists and Imperial Hunters and traitor orders Tiger Eyes, and Fire Masters. ======= Scott Shupe's Eye of Terror page (now static) also has a link for heresy era titan banners that could help with logos and color schemes. http://home.earthlink.net/~sshupe/EPIC/banners.html ============ Since Armorcast's listing above, I know GW has added (in Citadel Journal): http://www2.vigyan.com/ilibrar....Legions Burning Stars/Suns of Damnation (pre/post heresy names, Tzeentch, no color scheme stated, Princeps Skylok) Silver Scythes/Festering Death (pre/post heresy, Nurgle, no colors, Princeps Bubonis) =========== There is a knight house that fell to Slaanesh during the seige of Terra and which started the Slaanesh knight daemon engines, but there seems to be no additional detail. I did find a "Spawns of Horus" titan legion dedicated to Slaanesh which might tie in, but it was in a home-grown set of rules and I don't know if it was drawn from a GW source or not. It's here: http://home.earthlink.net/~sshupe/EPIC/ ... itans.html ======= Maybe I should just start cataloguing this crap. 
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