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| Author: | Gandalf the Grey [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Doing the math |
For poops and giggles I added up the costs of buying a 2000 point Epic A Space Marine force from scratch, meaning acting as if I didn't already own thousands of Epic minis. Here is my army list and and an estiamte of what it would cost in USD. . . based on www.xe.com. I know US prices will be a little lower. Reaver Titan $30 Land Raiders $36 Tactical + Commander $36 Rhinos $18 Devastator + Commander (Hopefully already included in above) Rhinos (included above) Predators $16 Considering how GW prices things by code, I think this would be closer to: Reaver Titan $25 (Same as 40k Terminator squad) Land Raiders $35 (Same as the 40k SM Dreadnought) Tactical + Commander $35 (Same as above) Rhinos $15 (Same as 40k SM Scouts) Devastator + Commander (Hopefully already included in above) Rhinos (included above) Predators $15 (Maybe more) Compare what something costs in ? and compare it to USD on the websites, and you'll see what I mean. So above, I can expect to pay 125 for what amounts to 5 formations. Jesus Christ. I am glad I have all my plastics. . . I didn't even include the rulebook. That should be another $30. |
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| Author: | primarch [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Doing the math |
Hi! Why do you assume the prices in the US will be lower. They usualy tend to be HIGHER than what the normal exchange rates allow. In any event your basic premise is true. WAY too expensive. Then again, I've said that before...haven't I.....  Primarch |
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| Author: | Markconz [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Doing the math |
Even I, the eternal Epic optimist, have to admit that the numbers are not pretty... even the prices of plastics are pretty OTT. |
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| Author: | primarch [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Doing the math |
Hi! I think bartertown and e-bay are going to see sellers making a killing on epic plastics. ANY plastics. Glad I got mine.... Primarch |
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| Author: | Markconz [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:39 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Doing the math | ||
Same, I just wish I had ordered more in the last days of epic40k... how cheap does that 1.5 a sprue seem now 
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| Author: | primarch [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Doing the math |
Hi! I know what you mean. I once bought 20 blisters of leman russ tanks on sale through GW for 3 dollars a pop and felt kinda bad about it. Now, I chide myself for not buying double that amount....  Primarch |
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| Author: | Gandalf the Grey [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Doing the math |
primarch, it should be cheaper. GW's prices are pretty universal. If you just compare the prices of their products in the UK and the US, it is easy to see the price block the minis will fall under. GW prices by block codes (for lack of a better word), not by individual prices. They assign a pack to an existing price block, not the other way around. Anyway, I remember my jaw hitting the floor when Epic 40k came out and a Space Marine Battlegroup was 9.99 lol. Well, I have to admit it is an excellent sprue, but 3.50 is a much better deal. Anyway, the EpicA sprues suck when it comes to variety, so I can't justifiably pay more for less, if you know what I mean. I feel really sorry for new players. Hell, back in the day six warlords was $30. I could make a massive army for around $40. That is why I laugh when Jervis wants to make ATII. How many titans per side? five? great, that will be $150 and u get five moves per turn. No way. Everytime I brought up the cost of playing EpicA in the playtesting vault I was told to wait till the prices came out, which is bull-poop. The costs of playing should be considered in the rules of the game, and what you can do with you armies. That is why I keep saying the more you can do with your formations the better. If I pay an extra $40 to bring my 2000 point army to a 3000 one, I get a few more choices, but in the long run it will get boring. Imagine playing the IG with one support choice!!!!! And I was settling for that. I would have loved to see them get three. Can you imagin buying a company each time you bought a cool support blister? Maybe it is my delivery, cause I feel I have been dead on with EpicA from day one. No game should be too expensive to play, and I really feel Epic A is. For newbies that is. |
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| Author: | primarch [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Doing the math |
Hi! Everytime I brought up the cost of playing EpicA in the playtesting vault I was told to wait till the prices came out, which is bull-poop. The costs of playing should be considered in the rules of the game, and what you can do with you armies. That is why I keep saying the more you can do with your formations the better. If I pay an extra $40 to bring my 2000 point army to a 3000 one, I get a few more choices, but in the long run it will get boring. | |
| Author: | Tas [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:44 am ] | ||
| Post subject: | Doing the math | ||
Especially when converted to Kiwi and Aussie dollars with international shipping tacked on 
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| Author: | GlynG [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 1:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Doing the math |
Am I the only one who thinks the pricing is pretty fair? It's expensive granted and more expensive than previous editions but times and capitalist economies move on and the pricing is in line with the pricing for the rest of GW's non-Specialist Games. If you don't want to pay those prices because you already have tons of epic and you know what sort of prices you paid ten years ago then fair enough, but new people are starting up on Epic Armageddon all the time and they are paying the new pricing... Glyn |
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| Author: | primarch [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Doing the math |
Hi! GlynG, fair statement. IF you're a newbie, then previous price comparisons and such are without much importance, more so if you hail from games like 40k and fantasy you may think its even "cheap". Its a matter of perspective. The trick is will "total newbies" not accustomed to "GW prices" will think its fair. Much harder to predict, but I'm inclined to say no. As for "many starting epic A all the time", that also remains to be seen. One must not extrapolate a very local realities with worldwide ones. If Epic A still has steam by the time the game is released in the US, then we can be more optimistic. Primarch |
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| Author: | Serps [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Doing the math |
Fanatic games are cheap as far as hobbies go. I've probably spent more on computer games than I have on GW stuff (not to mention music: how did I get 50 cds?) |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Doing the math |
I'll buy what new models I like and sell the extras at cost ... that's my plan ...
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| Author: | netepic [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 1:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Doing the math |
Might have some good news for you soon - will let you know, tho the results will never be as good as proper painted miniatures 
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| Author: | CrimsonFury [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:11 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Doing the math | ||
Huh? according to XE 12 pound = 22 USD, don't know where you got 36 from? |
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