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Some daft and odd assault questions
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Author:  Dan 1314 [ Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:36 am ]
Post subject:  Some daft and odd assault questions
Hi all.

So:
1. If a unit is trapped inside a vehicle, what happens when the vehicle dies?
E.g space marine scouts are in their rhinos they are assaulted by striking scorpion aspect warriors, with two scorpions in base contact with each rhino. The rhinos are killed.
Do the marine auto die, or do they leave the vehicles requiring to make a save?

(I always assumed it was the latter - if it is the "leaving the vehicles:
2. What happens when a unit is trapped ina vehicle and the vehicle is killed by first strike, can they then participate in the assault?

(if that is the case)
3. Can the attaker choose not to first strike?
e.g same as above, but there are some warp spiders in teh unit as well and they would normally first strike fire fight the rhinos.

(ok if thats not vague enough)
4. Can eldar jet bikes assault a building where the assaulted infantry are more than 10 cm in.
i.e. can they use the fact that they are skimmers to assault into the building (moving within 10 cm), or does this count as a move and puts them impossibly in impassible terrain?

(i hope everyone enjoys some random and weird questions. - thank you all)
Author:  Dave [ Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Some daft and odd assault questions
Dan 1314 wrote:
1. If a unit is trapped inside a vehicle, what happens when the vehicle dies?


It takes the same type of hit that destroys the vehicle (ie normal save or 6+ cover save), and if it lives it gets placed where the vehicle was destroyed: https://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/faq/# ... t-vehicles

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2. What happens when a unit is trapped ina vehicle and the vehicle is killed by first strike, can they then participate in the assault?


They can.

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3. Can the attaker choose not to first strike?


I'd say no, they have to attack, but ask your opponent. There's nothing in the rules that allow you to not attack, and I don't think that a force commander coordinating battlefield actions would be able to convey to a certain troop squad that they shouldn't attack in this one instance.

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4. Can eldar jet bikes assault a building where the assaulted infantry are more than 10 cm in.


If, after an engage move, the engaging formation doesn't have LoS to at least one enemy unit within 15cm then the assault doesn't occur. See the last FAQ here: https://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/faq/# ... harge-move
Author:  Dwarf Supreme [ Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Some daft and odd assault questions
Why would you not want to use first strike?
Author:  Dave [ Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Some daft and odd assault questions
Kill the transport and risk letting an awesome CC unit out to get its attacks? Seems pretty gamey to allow it. "Don't shoot that one, boys! I can tell it's filled to the brim with killy death!"
Author:  Dan 1314 [ Fri Jul 28, 2023 7:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Some daft and odd assault questions
Thanks all for the response.

The jet bike question, not the easiest to explain,
is can a skimmer unit assault into a building (normally impassible), provided it aims to use its end assualt move to move back out.

i.e
the defending infantry is 15 cm into a building, the skimmer assaults, so it is effectively sitting 5cm into the building and within 10 cm of the assaulted unit (effectively a pop up assault - if thats a thing).

thanks
Dan
Author:  Dave [ Fri Jul 28, 2023 7:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Some daft and odd assault questions
The bikes would have to take a dangerous terrain test, both in and consolidate out. If it's impassable though they wouldn't be able to do it. You can't hover over impassable, and pop up only matters for intervening terrain, not terrain the defender is in.
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