Have any of the nice people who were interested in my E-A Squat list actually tried it?
I know it's pretty hard since there are no point values, but still I'd like to know whether it is good for anything. ?
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| Author: | Mojarn Piett [ Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
Have any of the nice people who were interested in my E-A Squat list actually tried it? I know it's pretty hard since there are no point values, but still I'd like to know whether it is good for anything. ?
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| Author: | dafrca [ Thu Jul 31, 2003 1:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
I would bet, without points the list is just interesting reading. I would think that if you first put points you think should be there then you would get more interest in using it and further have people offer feedback. Just my two cents worth  dafrca |
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| Author: | MaksimSmelchak [ Thu Jul 31, 2003 7:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
I'll see if I can find my buddy, Chern. He was the one who volunteered to write the Squat list for E-A. I'm sure he'd be interested in seeing it. Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. |
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| Author: | MaksimSmelchak [ Sun Aug 03, 2003 7:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
The Squat VTOL was called the Iron Eagle. I have one flight of 3 plus one that is with the Colossus. | |
| Author: | primarch [ Sun Aug 03, 2003 9:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
Hi! I answered on another thread, but yes I rmember, the rules in Netepic are a close approximation of that article. I am tracking down the exact CJ number... Primarch |
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| Author: | primarch [ Sun Aug 03, 2003 9:59 pm ] |
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Hi! For everyone's benefit I have posted the Index for CJ. The answer that Maksim was looking for is Issue number 14. Space Marine / Titan Legions ------------------------------ #1) Random Armies: draw your forces; includes a scenario #1) EPIC Knights: rules for using knights in EPIC (may include Eldar knights) #2) Storm The Breach: urban combat with buildings and fortifications in EPIC #3) Inner Force: expanded psychic system for EPIC #4) The Power Within: Rune Priests, Adeptus Psykers, and Chaos Magi for EPIC #4) Snakebite Cyber-Wyvern: rules and conversion tips for these Orky flyers in EPIC #5) EPIC Special Characters: for Orks and Squats #9) Legions of Chaos: rules for including Chaos Titans on your EPIC games #9) Goffik Rokkers: rules for fielding deeze boyz with your EPIC orkz #10) Mega Wars (pt 1): campaign system for EPIC #10) Legions of Chaos: another Chaos Titan for EPIC #11) Mega Wars (pt 2): Campaign System for EPIC #11) EPIC Characters: Warp Spiders, Legion of the Damned Marines, and Imperial Confessors for EPIC #12) Dreadnought Assault: modelling tips for making 40K style Marine Dreads for 40K #13) Abominatus, Despoiler of Worlds: rules and datacard for Adrain Wood's Imperator Titan of Khorne in your EPIC army #14) Steel & Stone: new EPIC unit cards for the Squats in Epic #15) The Kalamata Conflict: mini-campaign for EPIC #16) The Everchanging Faces of Chaos: rules for using the Warp Palaces of Tzeentch in EPIC #17) The Storm, The Hunter & the Seer: 3 special cards for Epic --------------------------- EPIC Warhammer 40,000 --------------------------- #20) The Directors Cut: rules left out of the boxed game #20) EPIC Squats: complete army list for Squats in E40K #21) EPIC 40K Adeptus Mechanicus: rules for Knights & Tech Guard #21) Machineries of Destruction: optional upgrades for Imperial Titans #24) Warriors of Justice: EPIC Adeptus Arbites #27) Children of the Kraken: Genestealer cult rules for EPIC #27) Dok Butcha's Konvershun Klinik: Banelord Titan of Khorne, "Fatbloke" Gargant, & a list of all titan bitz availablefrom UK Mail Order #31) Seige of Herodopolis: scenario - Orks vs Imperium for EPIC #31) Get Stompin': tips on customizing your Ork warband for EPIC Primarch |
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| Author: | primarch [ Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
Hi! I also had this file of the WD index: Epic White Dwarf Index Issue Date Description --- Adeptus Titanticus / Space Marine --- 109 1/89 Land Raider! ? Rules for Vehicles Reavers & Warhounds ? Reaver & Warhound Titans 110 2/89 Space Marine! ? Rules for Infantry Eldar ? Eldar Titans & Vehicles 111 3/89 Chain Fist! ? Weapons and close combat Craters 112 4/89 Conqueror ? Robot Rules 114 6/89 Death Blow ? Damage Rules 115 7/89 Space Marine Intro 116 8/89 Epic Battle Damage System Armored Vehicles ? Epic Imperial Vehicles Gargants ? Ork Gargants & Vehicles 117 9/89 Codex Titanticus 120 12/89 War Griffons Titan color scheme War Machines ? Epic Vehicles 123 3/90 War Machines ? Vehicles 124 4/90 Epic Imperial Guard Epic Ork Battlewagons 125 5/90 Epic Imperial Guard ? Army List 126 6/90 Epic Space Marine ? Army List Epic Knights 127 7/90 Epic Squats ? Army List 128 8/90 Epic Orks ? Army List 130 10/90 Praetorians ? Capitol Imperialis & Hellbore Realm of Chaos ? Chaos Armies 131 11/90 Epic Realm of Chaos 1 ? Army List 132 12/90 Epic Realm of Chaos 2 ? Army List 133 1/91 New Warlord Titan Weapons and Equipment 136 4/91 An Epic Battle (Battle Report) ? Space Marines vs. Orks --- Space Marine, 2nd edition --- 141 10/91 The Redesigned Epic Space Marine 142 11/91 Painting Epic Armies Imperial Titan Weapons Reaver & Gargant Cards 143 12/91 Stompers! ? New Units ? Warbosses, Stompers, Ork Dreadnoughts, Chaos Androids, Wraithguard, Eldar Dreadnoughts, Shokk Attack Guns, Mole Mortars, Space Marine Dreadnoughts, Grey Knights, Chaos Dreadnoughts Alaitoc vs. Blood Angels (Battle Report) ? Blood Angels vs. Alaitoc Eldar Imperial Guard Color Schemes Gorgon Assault Company ? Gorgons, Shadow Swords, Baneblades, Storm Hammers 144 1/92 Assault! ? Epic Assault Scenarios, Fortification cards, Entrenchments, Razorwire,Bunkers, Minefields, Strongholds Epic Modeling Workshop Epic Forces ? New Units ? Warp Hunters, Wave Serpents, Deathstalker Prism Cannons, Hellbores, Leviathans, Drop Pods, Moles, Termites Space Marine ? New Titans ? Phantom Titans, Slasher Gargants, Warhound Titans 147 4/92 Avatar & War Walker ? New Units Eldar Craftworld Color Schemes Epic White Dwarf Index.doc Page 2 of 4 02/18/01 148 5/92 Daemons, Renegades 149 6/92 Epic Ork Vehicles ? New Units ? Spleenrippas, Nobz Warbikes, Braincrushas,Skullhammas, Gibletgrindas,Bonecrunchas, Bonebreakas, Bowelburnas, Gobsmashas 150 7/92 Epic Ork Vehicles ? New Units ? Scorchers, Hop Splats, Wartracks, Squig Katapults,Squiggoths, Pulsa Rokkits 151 8/92 Mekboyz & Squats ? New Units ? Land Trains, Land Train Cars, Iron Eagle Gyrocopters, Dragsters, Speedstas, Bubble Chukka Speedstas, Lifta Droppa Speedstas 152 9/92 Commissar Yarrick and Warlord Ghazghkill Mag uruk Thraka ? New Units 154 11/92 The Battle for Golgotha (Battle Report) ? Orks vs. Squats 156 1/93 Chaos at Kadavah (Battle Report) ? Chaos vs. Blood Angels 158 3/93 Ragnar Blackmane, Njal Storm Caller & Ulrik the Slayer in Space Marine ? New Units 159 4/93 Daemon Engines of Tzeentch ? New Units ? Silver Towers, Doom Wings, Fire Lords 160 5/93 The Assault on Barbarius (Battle Report) ? Imperial Guard vs. Eldar Alaitoc 161 6/93 Gargants ? New Titans ? Great Gargants 164 9/93 Daemon Engines of Khorne ? New Units Banelord, Chaos Titan of Khorne ? New Titan 165 10/93 Imperial Stormblade ? New Unit 168 1/94 Blood Bath on Centius Prime (Battle Report) ? Chaos vs. Orks 170 3/94 Squat Cyclops ? New Unit Epic Eldar Armies ? Eldar Tactics 171 4/94 Chaos Armies ? Chaos Tactics 172 5/94 Fire & Blood ? Scenarios 173 6/94 Questions & Answers 175 8/94 Questions & Answers 2 177 10/94 Know Your Foe ? Epic Tactics --- Space Marine, 2nd edition / Titan Legions (Epic) --- 178 11/94 Into the Maelstrom ? Titan Legions Intro The Titan Legions ? History of the Titan Legions 179 12/94 Titan Legions ? Titan Legions Models Inferno (Battle Report) ? Space Marines vs. Orks 180 1/95 Fists of Death ? Titan Legions Tactics 181 2/95 Imperator ? Imperator Tactics Razorbacks ? New Unit ? Razorbacks 182 3/95 Waaagh Da Orks ? Mega Gargant Tactics Knight Households ? New Units ? Knight Errant and Knight Lancer Households 183 4/95 Epic Hive War ? Tyranids Supplement 184 5/95 Abomination (Battle Report) ? Imperial Guard vs. Tyranids 185 6/95 Chimera Assault! ? New Units ? Chimeraxes, Chimedons, Chimerros 186 7/95 Eldar Revenant Scout Titans ? New Unit ? Revenant Scout Titans 187 8/95 Imperial Air Power ? New Units ? Thunderbolts, Marauders 188 9/95 Plague Engines of Nurgle ? New Units ? Plague Towers, Contagions Stomp an Smash (Battle Report) ? Imperial Guard vs. Orks 189 10/95 Irresistible Onslaught ? Hierodule and Hierophant Tactics 190 11/95 Slaanesh War Machines ? New Units ? Hell-Striders, Hell-Scourges, Hell-Knights, Subjugators, Questors 191 12/95 Ordinatus ? New Units ? Ordinatus Golgothas, Ordinatus Armageddons, Ordinatus Mars 192 1/96 Death From Above ? Flyer Tactics Breakout (Battle Report) ? Eldar vs. Chaos 193 2/96 Unsung Heroes ? Infantry Tactics 194 3/96 Modeling Workshop ? Chaos Titan Abominatus ? New Unit ? Khorne Imperator Titan Tyranid Assault ? Tyranid Tactics 195 4/96 Ancient Writings ? Epic Scenarios Epic White Dwarf Index.doc Page 3 of 4 02/18/01 196 5/96 Mission Briefing ? Mission Objective Counters Questions & Answers 197 6/96 Reign of Fire (Battle Report) ? Blood Angels vs. Orks 198 7/96 Honor & Glory ? New Units ? Scythes of the Emperor Terminator Detachment,Kreuger?s Heroes Leman Russ Squadron, Blood Slaughterers Chaos Space Marines, Catachan Devils Imperial Guard Tactical Company --- Epic 40,000 --- 206 3/97 Epic 40,000 Preview ? New Miniatures 207 4/97 Epic 40,000 Preview ? New Rules 208 5/97 Epic is Here ? Epic 40,000 Intro Art Attack! ? Epic Artwork Gogard?s Last Stand (Battle Report) ? Orks vs. Imperial Fists 209 6/97 Ready for Battle ? Choosing Detachments For the Emperor! ? Imperium Tactics Modeling Workshop ? Creating Epic Terrain 210 7/97 Supreme Warriors ? New Units ? Blood Angel, Dark Angel, Space Wolf, and White Scar detachments Emperor?s Tarot ? Imperium Fate Cards 211 8/97 Epic Morale Tracker ? Punch out morale tracker Waaagh! 'Ere Come Da Orks ? Ork Tactics Green Tide Rising (Battle Report) ? Orks vs. Space Marines 212 9/97 Green Is Meaner ? Painting Orks Modeling Workshop ? Creating Epic Terrain 214 11/97 Attack of the Tyranids ? Tyranid Tactics Path of the Eldar ? Eldar Tactics The Hand of Fate ? Fate cards for Chaos, Eldar, Orks, and Tyranids Air Superiority ? Flyer Tactics 215 12/97 Chambers of the Horned Rat ? Epic Campaign System Are You Experienced? ? Epic Experience System The Eternal Crusade ? Campaign Flak Attack! ? New flak units for Space Marines 216 1/98 The Imperial Guard ? Imperial Guard Tactics The Scourging of Lammas (Battle Report) ? Eldar vs. Imperium How to Paint Tanks ? Imperial Guard Painting Tips 217 2/98 Tactica Imperialis ? Rapid Assault, Imperial Armor, and Warlord Arming Tactics 218 3/98 The Coming of the Great Devourer ? Campaign ? Tyranids vs. Eldar and Imperium 224 9/98 Lords of Battle ? Titan tactics Epic White Dwarf Index.doc Page 4 of 4 02/18/01 The following are Heavy Metal articles that included Epic units. Issue Date Description 108 12/88 Heavy Metal 121 1/90 Heavy Metal 122 2/90 Heavy Metal 143 11/91 Heavy Metal 144 12/91 Heavy Metal 145 1/92 Heavy Metal 150 6/92 Heavy Metal 151 7/92 Heavy Metal 153 9/92 Heavy Metal 181 1/95 Heavy Metal 182 2/95 Heavy Metal 183 3/95 Heavy Metal 184 4/95 Heavy Metal 186 6/95 Heavy Metal 187 7/95 Heavy Metal 190 10/95 Heavy Metal Primarch |
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| Author: | primarch [ Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
Hi! Cybershadow, it occured to me these indexes should be pinned on the forums somewhere since the question pertaining them come up quite often. Primarch |
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| Author: | MaksimSmelchak [ Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
Primarch, The Citadel Jounal index would make a good pinned item. Some posts ralting to the Iron Eagle question can also be found on this thread: Topic: New Miniatures! Jervis Announcement on E-A Forums Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. |
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| Author: | primarch [ Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
Hi! Thanks for the link! Primarch |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
Primarch, you have everything from the CJs that I have, based on that list ...
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| Author: | primarch [ Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
Hi! No! That list is just an index I have for reference, I dont have any CJ's since we incorporated most of those rules into netepic and I never had a reason to keep them. Wish I had. Primarch |
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| Author: | CyberShadow [ Thu Sep 04, 2003 5:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
Right. Well, I have had this sitting around for a while, but I decided to put together some rules and ideas for campaign/warbands in EpicA (believe it or not, inspired by the recent Path to Glory for Fantasy and the old Rogue Trader/Relm of Chaos books). Anyway, the rules are here: Crucible of Champions I would be really interested in hearing what you guys think about these rules. They are not finished yet, and only the section for creating the warband, champion, retinue and followers are online. The rest will follow. This will include how to fight with the warbands, units which do not survive, new followers, rewards and gifts for the champions and his path to a Daemon Prince or Chaos Spawn - and the subsequent rise of a new champion. Right now, I would like to hear about: - Most interestingly for me, I would like to hear about any warbands that you guys roll up and put together. I cant even imagine all the possibilities that are present, so a few 'typical examples' would be great. It is difficult to get this balanced, but also variable! Even if you dont want to play this system, roll up a warband and let me know what you get. - Any 'power combinations' that are potentially possible given the random tables - although this is less of a problem as the player actually has little control over the results. - Any thoughts or comments about the system generally. It will obviously be linked to the current Chaos force list, and so could change as this does, but I dont expect the overall rules to change a lot. Thanks. So, to start off, here is the warband that I rolled as a part of the rules set themselves. Unfortunately, the warband came out quite well, so I will be generating a second one later to illustrate the variation what can be achieved: Champion and Retinue: Plyshtarin - Chaos Marine Champion, with the Leader, First Strike and Immune to Panic abilities Eight Chaos Marine Units Five Chaos Rhino transports Alpha Formation: Six Noise Marine units Three Slaanesh Rhino transport vehicles Eight Chaos Marine Dreadnoughts Beta Formation: One Chaos Traitor Arch Heretic unit Eleven Chaos Traitor units Seven Big Mutants Gamma Formation: Five Chaos Marine Bike units Zero mutation points, and ten advancement points. | |
| Author: | nealhunt [ Fri Sep 05, 2003 8:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
I'm eager to see the progression tables for mutations and adding new units, as well as how you intend for casualties to come back over the course of a campaign. I rolled up 7 or 8 warbands and calculated rough points just for comparison purposes. It seems most come out a bit over a thousand points, mostly the 1100 to 1300 range. The highest one I rolled was about 1600, and the lowest was a bit under 1000. It seemed as if an awful lot of CSMs forgot to bring their rhinos, though. I'd like to see the die range for that expanded. Based on the training scenarios I've done, I'd say that's a 30-45 minute game. It certainly seems as if it would be fun to run a leage/campaign off of it. If I could convince some of my friends, I would probably even give them enough figs to build a warband. |
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| Author: | CyberShadow [ Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Warbands in EpicA - Crucible of Champions |
That is very interetsing, thanks. I am very pleased that the warbands generated end up at a fairly focussed points value, as a 1000 point against a 1600 point game would not be too biased. As for the issue of transports, I will look at this again. Thanks for your analysis. Are there any details available of a warband or two that you generated? I will get the next parts of this online as soon as I can. Thanks again. |
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