3.3.2 states that we can choose to use their cc value or FF value on a unit not in base to base contact.

Does that mean it can't shoot at another unit that is already in base to base contact?
Or just that the unit isnt in base to base contact with it?

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I agree the wording isn't clear, my interpretation is that the rule is referring to the war engine specifically so it can ff at units that aren't in btb with it, regardless of whether they are in btb with another unit

I mean the rule doesnt specify what the unit is in btb with so as written you could interpret it as if a unit is in btb with another friendly unit it can't be targeted

Edit: this would also make war engines weaker than normal troops in many regards, if for example you had a war engine in a formation which was engaged, assuming all engagers are in btb then an unengaged war engine would be unable to ff as all targets are in btb

With regular troops you would just ff

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And this confirms that the rules pdf I've been using is not the latest. Good to know.

Is this related to the lack of official base sizes for war engines - do they play as if they don't really have bases?

That's how I've always played it.

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Ditto. From 3.3.2, the key is "the", I think.

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Thanks guys. Thats saved a few problems for the weekend already then.

Ah but that still means if you aslt a lone warengine and all units are base to base then ff hits cant be applied?

Correct, it then has to use it's CC attacks to defend itself.

If a WE could not use its FF attacks on enemy units that are in base to base contact with other unis it would make them very poor for support fire purposes.
In the situation above any WE's in support fire range would not be able to use it's FF attacks if that was the case.
AMTL would suffer badly as mutual support is their thing especially against teleporting Terminators who can easily get all their units in base contact with WE's.

I see your reasoning. But supporting fire doesn't make any statements about base to base and is quite clear how it works.

Personally I think the intent of the rule is quite clear. And as others have pointed out, if interpreted as "base to base with any unit" then it'd be very strange - when assaulting a formation of WEs, put all your assault troops into btb with one of them and then none of the others can participate at all.

This rule is presented as a specific exception to the normal assault rules, giving WEs a choice where normal units do not have one.

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