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Author:  Tas [ Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:33 am ]
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Jervis has busy at the E-A boards today...

This time its BAD news on planned model releases... :( ?

Brace yourselves:
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Unfortunately we've had to cut back on some of the new sculpts we had planned, as we'd failed to appeciate just how much work was involved simply getting the old Epic range back in production (lots of cleaning up of 'tins' to make new master moulds - boring but necessary work ) This means that some models like the Capitol Imperialis and Hellebore that I'd been hoping to remake have had to be knocked back. Don't worry though, we will get round to doing them in the end, it will just take longer than anticipated.

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See the full thread here:

http://forums.specialist-games.com/epic40k...._ID=242
Author:  Legion 4 [ Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:25 am ]
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I don't want to say I told you so, but I have said, I won't believe it until I have it in my cold wanton hands! ?:angry: ?

Again this is my 4th release of Epic, so don't be surprised...

Anything can happen... :p ?

Amazingly G/W US is still spinning up Epic pieces, in some cases back to SM-1. Doh! :o ?

Hang your collective heads in shame G/W UK... :{
Author:  MaksimSmelchak [ Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:03 am ]
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I don't want to be too much of a pessimist, but I'm not surprised by this.

They're probably not going to do anything about the "moderator problem" either...  ???

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Author:  primarch [ Fri Sep 05, 2003 2:53 pm ]
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Hi!

Well, as others have expressed, this is no surprise.

The story with epic since the release of epic40k is one of lack of resources, delays and eternal promises.

There is a simple basic business fact in regards to epic, it didn't make make last time around. GW has a LONG memory for this kind of things (why do you think squats were eleiminated?!), Jervis has his hands tied, he doesn't control production or distribution, the bean counters do.

I make no comments as to Epic A's value as a game, it may be the best thing since sliced bread, but, as I have stated before, its going nowhere due to the inadequate resource allocation, poor distribution and poor promotion.

Epic doesn't fail because any one game system is inherently that bad, its fails because GW produces the conditions for it to fails coming out of the gate.

By the way Legion4, you're not allowed to say "I told you so", thats MY line... :D

Primarch
Author:  Legion 4 [ Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:50 pm ]
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O.K.... I'll say, "I've said this before..." :laugh: ?

So far IMO, G/W's marketing of E-A... well... is poor. ?

They are, as you said, setting themselves up for failure... again. ?

Just so it lasts long enough, so that we can get some good models out of it. But based on recent news, even that seems in doubt... :{
Author:  Athmos [ Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:34 pm ]
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I'm sad to have to wait before getting my hand on a Capitol imperialis (this will maybe make me think again about making a scratch built one, but i wonder what to use for tracks).
Still, i think this is one of the best effort we may have seen to re-make or make useable agin some old minis that new player don't even know existed one time (and some i reaaaaly like, concerning the CI at least).

About E:A marketing and support, the only thing i can say is that there is absolutely nothing in france about that. The name was mentioned in an answer in the "reader's mail" in the last french WD, as a player asked for french edition and support of BFG and Epic, and that's all.
I have printed myself the rules of the game to give to my GW shop, and nobody wasn't even aware it was planned.
This said, maybe the game isn't planned for france (if it's not planned to be available in OZ, as it require translation for French release, i would not be that surprised if the game isn't even available here...).
Had you seen some advertisment or whatever in UK/US yet ?
Usually (in france that is), there is no ad campaign before the massive rolling fire of ad just before (one month before usually) the release of a game anyway ...

Athmos
Author:  Legion 4 [ Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:40 pm ]
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The best place to find E-A information is on the net. I can't remember the last time Epic was mentioned in W/D !?  ???
Author:  Gandalf the Grey [ Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:23 pm ]
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Okay, here's a rant:

I mentioned a short time ago my gaming group can't continue to consistantly play like we used to do to real world issues, which is fine because I have been really social lately. Thank god Football season has started and Hockey is starting soon! Summer is such a drag.

Anyway, with all these changes coming up, I have decided to pack up some of my games for awhile except for the ones I really like to fiddle with, like Man O' War. ?I have also been wondering about the future of gaming since I have been disappointed with EpicA and then I read what Jervis has posted in the Playtesting forum:


My long term (and rather grandiose, it has to be said) plans for Epic are to create a *family* of games that use a common set of Epic miniatures. These three games are:

Epic: Grand Tactical Combat in the 41st Millenia.


Okay, good. ?At least we aren't giving up on one of my favorite scale of games. . .


Adeptus Titanicus: Titan vs Titan battles.

Why??? Make AT and Epic compatible! ?Who has ever like playing exclusively with War Engines??? Am I really alone in this?


Air War: Squadron level aerial combat in the 41st millenia.

Okay, I could almost do dogfights between individual fighters, but between squadrons? I read up on Jervis's reasoning with squadrons vs aces, and I agree with him. ?But I look at Crimson Skies and if I wanted to play an arial combat game, that would probably be the game I'd play. ?It really doesn't appeal to me though. ?The only thing I like aircraft or are swooping in and dropping some bombs on an epic board.

I produced Epic first mainly due to necessity - there are lots of players with Epic armies out there, and I wanted to cater for them first of all. AT and AW will follow later as and when we get the time to make them.

I love aerial combat games, and have been playing them in one form or another for almost 30 years now, so the thought of being aable to do my own game on the subject has a lot of appeal, and that means I want to write it myself. I'm hoping to get some test rules up next year if I can, but don't hold your breath. Why squadron level? Well one of the things I've learny reading about aerial combat in real-life is that while Hollywood may fixate on aces and one-on-one combats, the reality was that it was the best trained *squadrons* of aircraft that usually won. The 'lone wold' ace was something that was really only seen early in WW1, and by 1917 all of the early lone wolves were either dead or had learned that they needed to act as a part of a team. The art of aerial combat at the tactical level then is not how well you can fly your plane, but how well you and the rest of your comrades can act as a team to defeat the enemy. So far no aerial combat game has really captured this, but it's what I'd like my game to reflect, if at all possible.

I have zero interest in this. ?Interesting reading, no doubt, but I can't see myself buying this.

With regard AT, I think that Gav's rules really only need an update and some more development work to get them to a finished state. As with AW I hope to get an updated version of the rules up in the vault some time next year. Once the rules are up we can start to test and develop them as we have the Epic rules and amy lists.

I wouldn't mind Gav's rules for ATII if there were rules for Infantry and Vehicles. ?I highly doubt you'd find a Shadowsword running around by itself unsupported anyway. ?I always thought ATII was interesting, but since it didn't fit into Epic40k, we didn't bother with it. ?If AT3's future was based on AT2, then I would have said what the hell was the point of doing EpicA.

Anyway, I guess the point is that I am more excited about 40k 4th edition then I am for anything going on for Epic now. ?Plus wth the mini release problems (which I know are not Jervis's fault) it just adds to it. ?I also checked out the pit fighter game and my god that looks lame. ?

I can't understand why GW doesn't try harder to give players what they want as opposed to trying to force them to like the games they think players should like because they do.

There are a lot of things to do in this world, and I guess I am remembering that. ?I get more excitement from playing Xbox than I do playing most GW games now. ?If GW, or Fanatic, brought back Man O' War as it was originally released, Warhammer Quest, etc etc it would really have my attention again. ?Instead, they have really have lost me again for awhile. ?I have definatley tapped out on what I want to spend on their products, and it isn't just because what is going on in my life, but because they are failing to capture my interest and imagination.

You know, I wonder what it would do if GW spent some time and thought about what made Man O' War such a FUN game to play, and maybe allowed that to trickle into their other games.
Author:  Jimbo [ Fri Sep 05, 2003 9:37 pm ]
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Quote (Athmos @ 05 2003 Sep.,16:34)
I'm sad to have to wait before getting my hand on a Capitol imperialis (this will maybe make me think again about making a scratch built one, but i wonder what to use for tracks).

you could always use what GW used, the JB Models' M113 tracks.

for Taz
http://www.hobbycentre.com.au/JBMODL04.html

for those in the UK
http://www.tiger-tank.com/shop/models.php

and for those in the USA
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/9 ... sader.html
Author:  primarch [ Sat Sep 06, 2003 4:26 am ]
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Hi!


Anyway, I guess the point is that I am more excited about 40k 4th edition then I am for anything going on for Epic now.  Plus wth the mini release problems (which I know are not Jervis's fault) it just adds to it.  I also checked out the pit fighter game and my god that looks lame.  


This is the crux of much of the sentiment that is displayed far and wide through the net. There just isn't any real "buzz" or excitement about epic A. I don't mean that which a person or two will display, but the infectious kind that spawns a real interest of things to come.

Check around other forums, GW ones and otherwise. How many posts about epic A show up? One in ten? one in 20? More? When they do show the dialogue or impressions aren't what you'd call "bathed in enthusiasm".

I mean come on, aren't people SUPPOSED to be really excited about this? Jumping for joy? Most are assuming the wait and see stance, which is okay since many have been "burnt" by GW sales practices before, but its also a self fulfulling prophecy too. If you "wait and see" and don't buy right off, GW won't see those mega-sales it believes it must get for the line to be profitable and ceases to support it which will just reinforce the wait and see stance.

Promises, promises. For those who have "been around the epic block" know darn well GW will promise the earth and the moon, but if sales are not high, you get...well squat (pun VERY intended). We are already seeing backtracking, if you read earlier Firepower mags, there was a commitment to "bring out a full line" this time around, but if you beleived that, perhaps Santa still visits your house... :L

Save your pennies and buy up all you can when it is released, since the potential "draught" after this "release" may make the one after Epic 40k look like an oasis.

Primarch
Author:  Legion 4 [ Sat Sep 06, 2003 4:48 am ]
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Ah ... the Epic saga continues... Just a history note, AT1 was released before SM1. Grunts & AFVs were an after thought. Rules for these were first released in a W/D issue around 110-116(?), IIRC. I bought SM1 before AT1 ... the whole Titan concept is still questionable, to me. ???   Reality Check - we'll be lucky to see a complete E-A system, Army Lists and all, let alone AT3 and an Epic Air2Air game. A year from now, I'll be interested to see what transpires ... :blues:
Author:  Tas [ Sat Sep 06, 2003 8:16 am ]
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Quote (Jimbo @ 06 2003 Sep.,06:37)
for Taz
http://www.hobbycentre.com.au/JBMODL04.html

Thanks mate- most tempting......
Author:  Athmos [ Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:38 am ]
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Thanks Jimbo, this is certainly interesting, but to work on a new CI, i would have wanted a bigger set than the original one (maybe as much as 1,5 time bigger) to build a bigger CI... But maybe i will come back to the idea of just making one the same scale as the original one.

Thank you very much anyway !

Athmos
Author:  MaksimSmelchak [ Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:11 am ]
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Primarch and gang,

Speaking of model releases, the new Forgeworld Harridan version has hit prerelease.

Forgeworld Pre-Orders Page

As well as a ton of FW Eldar Falcon variants and the Ork Gunwagunz.

Shabbat Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Author:  Jimbo [ Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:44 am ]
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Quote (Athmos @ 06 2003 Sep.,11:38)
Thanks Jimbo, this is certainly interesting, but to work on a new CI, i would have wanted a bigger set than the original one (maybe as much as 1,5 time bigger) to build a bigger CI... But maybe i will come back to the idea of just making one the same scale as the original one.

well you could use a 1/48th scale or 1/35th scale M113 as the base?

I actually think a 1/35th scale could be nice.

My mate Simon actually used a Crusader Tank kit.



which works quite well

I used, well try and guess..
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