Tactical Command
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/

How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24613		 Page 1 of 2
Author:  mordoten [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:52 am ]
Post subject:  How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
I got 2 really horrible looking warlord titans with this great deal i did a couple of months back. Could theese be used as Reaver Titans in Tournament play or is that kind of proxies no allowed?

When i play with my friends i know that it's up to us, just want to know what happens if i show up at a convention with my titans and want to play in a tournament.

Also, i got about 6 marauder fighter bombers and no thunderbolts. Would it be okay to use the bombers as thundebolts proxies? Again, in a tournament/convention game.

And lastly, do my titan have to have the exact weapons on the model that i*ve bought for him in my armylist?
Author:  Tiny-Tim [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
In general I'd say you can get away with most things as people are there to play games and meet fellow enthusiasts of their hobby. I’d check with the tournament organiser first but just as long as you are up front about it everything should be fine.

The only problem that can arise is when you try to have a Warlord-Reaver and a Warlord-Warlord. If two things look the same but aren’t then problems can arise and you might be asked to say change your list so that this doesn’t happen.

On the weapon fit out, I'd again say that there would be no problem, just keep on reminding your opponent what it does have and have a different weapon for each type that you are using.
Author:  carlos [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
Agree w/ Tiny-Tim. To keep things easier to remember perhaps remove one of the carapace weapons from the warlord to make it more reaver-ish?
Author:  Simulated Knave [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
Old Warlords or new? Old ones definitely could pass as Reavers (though as suggested, removing a Carapace weapon might help)>
Author:  mordoten [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
Thanks guys! It's the old warlords. The removing of a weapon is a great idea!
Author:  MikeT [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
Simulated Knave wrote:
Old Warlords or new? Old ones definitely could pass as Reavers (though as suggested, removing a Carapace weapon might help)>



It's not a case of disallowing a unit cause it doesn't look enough like the thing it's representing; I don't know anyone who has a problem with that as long as it's gone over beforehand (5 min warmup period!). the problem comes if someone has say 2 beetleback warlords, one representing a warlord and one representing a reaver (to use Tim's example above). It might be perfectly obvious to you which is which (I totally stuck an Apocalypse rocket launcher on that warlord, obviously that's the Reaver!) but, half way through turn two, in a tournament game and so time constrained, it's not really fair to ask your opponent remember the differentiation.
Author:  Dobbsy [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
The "counts as" rule applies here.
Author:  Simulated Knave [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
Quote:
It's not a case of disallowing a unit cause it doesn't look enough like the thing it's representing; I don't know anyone who has a problem with that as long as it's gone over beforehand (5 min warmup period!). the problem comes if someone has say 2 beetleback warlords, one representing a warlord and one representing a reaver (to use Tim's example above). It might be perfectly obvious to you which is which (I totally stuck an Apocalypse rocket launcher on that warlord, obviously that's the Reaver!) but, half way through turn two, in a tournament game and so time constrained, it's not really fair to ask your opponent remember the differentiation.


And smacking down one of the new Warlords and saying "that's a Reaver" is still going to be less fair to your opponent than an old Warlord with fewer weapons than it would normally have. It's a question of degree. The closer the thing is to the thing you're saying it is, the better.
Author:  MikeT [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
Simulated Knave wrote:
Quote:
It's not a case of disallowing a unit cause it doesn't look enough like the thing it's representing; I don't know anyone who has a problem with that as long as it's gone over beforehand (5 min warmup period!). the problem comes if someone has say 2 beetleback warlords, one representing a warlord and one representing a reaver (to use Tim's example above). It might be perfectly obvious to you which is which (I totally stuck an Apocalypse rocket launcher on that warlord, obviously that's the Reaver!) but, half way through turn two, in a tournament game and so time constrained, it's not really fair to ask your opponent remember the differentiation.


And smacking down one of the new Warlords and saying "that's a Reaver" is still going to be less fair to your opponent than an old Warlord with fewer weapons than it would normally have. It's a question of degree. The closer the thing is to the thing you're saying it is, the better.


Well, I suppose you're not technically wrong, but I don't think it's unfair to point out during the 5 min wwarmup period that you don't have a Reaver and you're instead using this Warlord figure to represent it (assuning it's the only titan you're fielding, which is a farily safe assumption). I mean, I wouldn't have any problem or anything.

The problem would come more with a situation like using chimeras to represent both actual Chimeras and Leman Russ. Even if you've painted some of them different, it's probably still unfair of you to expect your opponant to remember the probably subtle difference.
Author:  Simulated Knave [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
I wouldn't have a problem, either. But I have even less of a problem with old Warlords representing Reavers than with new.

Plus, I didn't want him to start trying to break weapons off his new Warlords unless they were the old ones. :P
Author:  enri [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
How do people feel about characters in units? I went Chaplain mad when I put my marines together ("Why would I ever want to take anything other than a chaplain in a terminator detachment?!") but now find myself wanting to swap them out for supreme commanders / captains etc... in my case I have two terminator detachments, both with chaplains, in my current list, one is now a supreme commander and the other detachment has no character.

I plan on covering this by EITHER putting a special dice next to the SC detachment (to represent the re-roll, as some others tend to do) and explaining this fact to my opponent OR I'll re-paint him gold before my next game and explain that the black armoured terminator in the other detachment is nothing special.

The bigger concern is that I have two assault detachments (again, both modeled with chaplains) but only one detachment has a chaplain. What's the most reasonable way of explaining that one away? Short of re-painting and/or building an extra stand that is.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
In that case I'd probably look to do a quick bit of per-tournament repainting.
Author:  enri [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
Well bugger, re-painting was the least favourable option :)
Author:  mordoten [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
I want to do a AMTL army with 2 reavers and 3 warhounds so both warlords would be used as Reavers actually. For warhounds I'll use warhound models.

The oher thing was that i wanted to use my marauder models as thunderbolts since i have 5 of them already and frankly can't afford more models right now...

So in both cases there will be no situation where i use one type of model for 2 different units. Warlord models will be reaver units and maraduers will be thunderbolts.

Thanks for the great answers guys!
Author:  Simulated Knave [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How hard are tournaments on WYSIWYG?
Assuming they're metal - pop them off the base, enri. And magnetize them or the future.
Page 1 of 2 All times are UTC [ DST ]
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
http://www.phpbb.com/