Fair enough, thanks.
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rule question about overwatch |
Formation A (Broadside battlesuits) is on Overwatch. Formation B (Sentinels) moves up to Formation A. Formation A is inside Formation B's ZoC. May Formation A use its Overwatch ability to fire, considering that it is inside Formation B's ZoC? Or must it elect not to fire using its Overwatch ability until the ZoC conflict has been resolved (Either through the destruction of the Sentinels or the Broadsides taking an Advance order and moving away). ==== This actually happened in a game (Actually the Sentinels deployed opposite the Broadsides on the centreline on Garrison), and the Broadsides moved away instead of Overwatching on anything so we didn't actually resolve the question. |
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| Author: | Pulsar [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rule question about overwatch |
didn't this also involve garrioning both and not the sentinels moving? but the question still stands |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rule question about overwatch |
Quote: (Pulsar @ 29 Jul. 2009, 00:46 ) didn't this also involve garrioning both and not the sentinels moving? but the question still stands Edited my post above to clarify. From a game mechanics perspective either situation is the same: Are the Broadsides allowed to use their Overwatch ability whilst inside a ZoC? Overwatching on a charging enemy in an Engagement situation is often used, but seems to fall under a similar situation actually. |
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| Author: | Mephiston [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rule question about overwatch |
I asked this a while ago and the answer was that they could still fire the overwatch shots. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rule question about overwatch |
Fair enough, thanks.
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| Author: | frogbear [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rule question about overwatch |
I really do not understand this. What would actually stop the overwatch from interrupting the opponents turn after they finished moving? What am I missing here? |
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| Author: | Mephiston [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rule question about overwatch |
The issue is that the formation on overwatch is now in the scouts zone of control. So if a normal formation were to activate it would have to move out of the ZoC so couldn't sustain fire for example. I think the answer was that as the overwatch formation 'activated' before being in the ZoC it doesn't need to move out and can still fire. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rule question about overwatch |
What am I missing here? Normally you cannot conduct an action when you are inside of an enemy's Zone of Control unless it allows you to: Engage, or leave the enemy's Zone of Control via some sort of movement action. That can be used to place scouts up near an artillery formation forcing it to move away (or engage the scouts) instead of Sustaining Fire at the enemy. Overwatch is seemingly an exception to this rule, presumably due to when the dice roll to begin the activation is actually taken. |
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| Author: | frogbear [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rule question about overwatch |
Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 29 Jul. 2009, 09:26 ) Overwatch is seemingly an exception to this rule, presumably due to when the dice roll to begin the activation is actually taken. So enemy being charged would not normally get to use their overwatch in that case if it were the other way around...? Seems quite a useless action if that was not the case. I thought it was clearer in this respect: Overwatch - The formation may not move, but instead enters overwatch. Being on overwatch allows the formation to interrupt an enemy formation’s action to shoot at it. Zone of Control - If a unit finds itself in an enemy zone of control for any reason, then it must either charge the enemy or leave the zone of control when it next takes an action So by the above, the action was already taken before the ZoC was initiated. There is no 'next' action to fire on overwatch. I never thought it got any more complex than that.   I understand it is resolved, just clarrifying the rule for my own sake as well, that all. Cheers... |
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Rule question about overwatch |
As noted, firing on OW is not the same as taking an action. ZoC does not prevent OW. |
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| Author: | Lord Inquisitor [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Rule question about overwatch |
Agreed. Where it would get sticky is if the formation on overwatch has carried over overwatch since last turn (and therefore firing on overwatch would allow them to avoid activating in response to being in a ZOC), but I'd still say this is okay. |
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