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6mm vs 10mm Alternate Reality Poll
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Author:  Captsin [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:42 pm ]
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Now I know this will never happen, unless we take a trip to the Stargate (as L4 said). Lets just pretend that Games Workshop wants to invest in Epic and push it as a core game.

They don't want to dumb down the rules, but they are looking at re-doing the entire line. Would you want them to redo everything in 6mm or change the scale to around 10mm?

Again, this is fantasy, I'm just interested in your responses if you had a magic wand and could make this happen.
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:43 pm ]
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Are we talking actual 10mm, or 'hero' 10mm?
Author:  Captsin [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:43 pm ]
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I thought about redoing the poll with that question but then I'd have to ask "hero" or "actual" scale for 6mm as well (maybe for barrel sizes on tanks and stuff).

So just vote for your "dream" and post what type of figure you'd like to see. Personally I almost always prefer actual.

Also, if I'm that specific, I'd have to ask what mm scale, 10mm, 8mm, 13mm, 15mm

The poll would get too bogged down.

I'm interested in why people would want to keep 6mm, is it because they are already invested in it or is it because it's really the best scale in their opinion?

The alternative to 6mm is "anything they desire scale."
Author:  zombocom [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:00 pm ]
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I'd keep 6mm, if only because the cost of buying 10mm tank companies would be prohibitive. The weapon ranges are much more plausible at 6mm too.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:00 pm ]
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Epic, as the game of mass battles and Titans, should be 6mm.

At 10mm, a truescale Warhound Titan would stand 9cm tall (Taller than the current Warlord, which is 7.5cm tall).

A truescale Warlord Titan would probably stand around 20cm tall!


But I do think there's space for a more adult-focused GW game at 15mm.
Author:  Mephiston [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:05 pm ]
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Quote: (zombocom @ 26 Jun. 2009, 15:00 )

I'd keep 6mm, if only because the cost of buying 10mm tank companies would be prohibitive. The weapon ranges are much more plausible at 6mm too.

Hmmm, a Sherman from Pendraken in 10mm retails at £1.75. So 9 normal and one firefly (vanquisher) would work out at £17.50 for the company. When you compare that to the £30 Leman Russ company you do have to wonder!
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:07 pm ]
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It all comes down to the fact that as a big company which has slipping into having a high gearing over the last few years, GW have stupid-sized overheads.

A smaller more nimble company like Pendraken, or ironically, Forgeworld, can afford not to price itself out of existence, if that makes an sense.  :))
Author:  zombocom [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:09 pm ]
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Quote: (Mephiston @ 26 Jun. 2009, 15:05 )

Quote: (zombocom @ 26 Jun. 2009, 15:00 )

I'd keep 6mm, if only because the cost of buying 10mm tank companies would be prohibitive. The weapon ranges are much more plausible at 6mm too.

Hmmm, a Sherman from Pendraken in 10mm retails at £1.75. So 9 normal and one firefly (vanquisher) would work out at £17.50 for the company. When you compare that to the £30 Leman Russ company you do have to wonder!

We're talking GW, so a GW price structure. That tank company would become at least £50, probably more.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:11 pm ]
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Quote: (zombocom @ 26 Jun. 2009, 15:09 )

Quote: (Mephiston @ 26 Jun. 2009, 15:05 )

Quote: (zombocom @ 26 Jun. 2009, 15:00 )

I'd keep 6mm, if only because the cost of buying 10mm tank companies would be prohibitive. The weapon ranges are much more plausible at 6mm too.

Hmmm, a Sherman from Pendraken in 10mm retails at £1.75. So 9 normal and one firefly (vanquisher) would work out at £17.50 for the company. When you compare that to the £30 Leman Russ company you do have to wonder!

We're talking GW, so a GW price structure. That tank company would become at least £50, probably more.

Mind you, he did say it'd be a Core Game, therefore something important like Leman Russ tanks would probably be done in plastic.

So you're probably back to around £30-£40 for ten 10mm scale plastic russes.



I think a 10mm scale Epic could work in a practical mechanics sense, but it wouldn't stand a chance in the current GW environment...

...why sell a 10mm Epic type game, when they can sell loaaaaads of 30mm scale tanks to Apocalypse-playing kids?
Author:  Dwarf Supreme [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:25 pm ]
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I voted for option A, because I truly do believe that 6mm is the best scale for Epic. However, having a lot invested in Epic already is a factor, too.
Author:  GlynG [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:31 pm ]
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As I said in the other thread you can have fabulously detailed models at 6mm and the scale lets you have more and bigger things on the table, all good IMO. Plus 6mm fits with Aeronautica Imperialis - even disregarding my current collection, if I wanted play both I would then have to buy two sets of aircraft needlessly if Epic's scale was changed - therefore killing over cross-over uses and interest. Ditto with upcoming Titan game.
Author:  Lord Inquisitor [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:04 pm ]
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 26 Jun. 2009, 10:00 )

A truescale Warlord Titan would probably stand around 20cm tall!

Which would be awesome!

Just imagine a Warlord at that scale using the new plastics. It would be terrific and probably not vastly more than the current metal. How much more is the valkyrie than the current warlord? Not that much and its about eight times the size. You could get so much more detail.

Lets assume that as a core game we're talking plastics, so the price might not be that high (at least, compared with the outrageous SG prices for Epic).
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:17 pm ]
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I agree it's possible.

It's just not practical.
Author:  Ginger [ Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:03 pm ]
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Well, I vote for 8mm or 'Heroic' infantry, 6mm vehicles and 5mm WE (or thereabouts), both for practical and aesthetic reasons:-
- larger infantry are a bit less fragile and easier to paint
- 'True scale' titans and WE will inevitably cost more, and as long as they are apreciably bigger than the other stuff, the actual size does not matter that much. The point is that scale is only a relative measure, and does not have to be precise. It is a visually aesthetic question that allows people to visualise troops moving across a 'scale' background in a 'scale' speed etc; so you also need to consider the other elements of time and activity as well as the physical size etc.

As an aside, I am constantly amazed by the actual size of vehicles and the difference between what I 'imagine' they are like compared with their actual size. Often there is a huge difference - for example fighters have always been 'Spitfire' size haven't they? But if you compare modern fighters they are sometimes larger than WWII bombers, while WWI aircraft were often less than half the size of a Spitfire. The same goes for tanks where Panzer I, II and III tend to be smaller than you expect (based on the Sherman) while King Tiger and modern tanks are often bigger.

And then there are the exceptions - the WWI Sikorsky Ilya Muromets (built just 4 years after Bleriot flew across the Channel) was a four engine bomber that dwarfs the Spitfire and most WWII bombers including the Lancaster and B17.
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