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Air Assault Question
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Author:  DCD Hermes [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Air Assault Question
So I have a Thunderhawk loaded up with 2 formations of Assault Marines and One Captain.  I want to land my units and assault.  The T'hawk activates and flies in, gets fired upon by any AA, lands and the Assault Marines deploy within 15cm of the T'hawk.  Is the T'hawk required to join the assault?  Or, can the T'hawk land, unload it's cargo, fire upon a formation (the one I'm about to assault with the marines.)  Then I retain with the assault formation with the captain, order my second assault formation to join them, and then the t'hawk provides support fire for my assault?

The reason I ask, is an opponent initiated an air assault, but let loose on my formation with a t'hawk on it's approach, then assaulted me with the 2 assault marines and the t-hawk, which I don't think is legal.  The above situation might work, has nearly the same end result, except they have to retain, and the t'hawk isn't directly involved in the assault, so isn't destroyed if the assault is lost.

Proceed with the schooling...
Author:  Chroma [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Air Assault Question
I believe it's all covered in this thread:

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums/ ... =4;t=14693
Author:  Mephiston [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Air Assault Question
Nope, on the turn they arrive the WE transport and its occupants are considered one formation until the end of the WE activation, and all formations then have taken their activation this turn. To prep the target for assault you require a second formation.

[Edit] I'd forgotten that from this morning!
Author:  zombocom [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Air Assault Question
The thunderhawk and its cargo are treated as a single formation for the activation. In an air assault, the thunderhawk must land (without shooting), disembark troops and is involved in the assault. After the assault is completed they split into seperate formations, both of which count as having uased their activation this turn.

In other words, both you and your opponent got it wrong, but your opponent was closer. Had he not shot with the thunderhawk on the way in he'd have been correct.
Author:  DCD Hermes [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Air Assault Question
Understood.  Of course getting it wrong, helps to get it right.  I knew there was something fishy about both of the options.  Although unloading with the T-hawk as you come in for a landing would be pretty BA, especially against guardians or IG infantry.

Also, because I just remembered, is pre-measuring allowed in any instance?
Author:  Chroma [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Air Assault Question
Quote: (DCD Hermes @ 27 Jan. 2009, 22:24 )

Also, because I just remembered, is pre-measuring allowed in any instance?

Pre-measuring is allowed in *EVERY* instance, unless all players agree not to.
Author:  DCD Hermes [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Air Assault Question
Pre-measuring is allowed in *EVERY* instance, unless all players agree not to.

Thanks again.  That should help out dramatically.  Not sure why I was thinking it wasn't, gotta make sure to read all the rules.
Author:  Chroma [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Air Assault Question
It's on page 19 of the rulebook, under the Design Concept - Shooting Conventions:

Pre-measuring: You must decide with your
opponent if you are allowed to pre-measure
distances during a game of Epic, or if you
must declare charges or shooting attacks
before measuring. For example, you must
decide if you can measure to make sure a
unit is within range of the enemy before
deciding who it will shoot at, etc. Each
method has its own distinct advantages,
which boil down to pre-measuring being
more precise and tactical, and not allowing
pre-measuring being more characterful and
exciting. If you cannot agree on which
method to use then use the author’s method,
which is to allow pre-measuring.
Author:  DCD Hermes [ Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:36 am ]
Post subject:  Air Assault Question
So...RTFRB
Author:  Chroma [ Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:14 am ]
Post subject:  Air Assault Question
Quote: (DCD Hermes @ 27 Jan. 2009, 23:36 )

So...RTFRB

I don't know if I'd put the "F" in there so strongly...  :laugh:
Author:  DCD Hermes [ Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:59 am ]
Post subject:  Air Assault Question
I don't know if I'd put the "F" in there so strongly...  
I find the Eff works well and adds extra weight to the acronym, or at least in my circle.  I'll try and keep it PG from now on, instead of PG-13.
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