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Author: | Morg [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Questions regarding Thousand Sons Vault List |
We just had a little discussion in the german forum where the 1k Sons List came up because somebody wants to play it in our upcoming german friendly tournament. I must say I am really baffled by the list. Either I missed a serious weakness or the list seems a bit overpowered to me. All tanks are 25 points cheaper than in the vanilla marine list and RA is almost everywhere... Okay, they don't have ATSKNF but otherwise they seem much better than the average list to me. I also stumbled upon a thread with corrected points values here at Epicomms but they didn't make it into the list. What's the current status of the list? Did I miss a serious weakness or is it that cheesy? ![]() |
Author: | nealhunt [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Questions regarding Thousand Sons Vault List |
As far as overall status, the vault list is out of date. It has been on hold because I was waiting for the Black Legion list to finalize (and to a lesser extent the Lost and Damned). I got tired of doing constant revisions based on the changes in the BL. It's probably time to go ahead and send in version 2.0. ==== Changes will definitely include: 1) Use the updated BL summoning system/daemon costs. 2) TSons Retinue is 400 points. (v. 350) 3) Silver Towers are 90 points each. (v. 75) 4) Rubric Chosen are 80 points each (v. 75) They will possibly include some of the stuff from the margin comments in the vault list. Right now I'm leaning towards dropping the price of Warp Flame for vehicles and changing out the titan weapons for more arcane versions. If you'd like a MS Word copy of the work-in-progress, just let me know. nealhunt@yahoo.com ==== You can expect at least a 10% overall cost increase for the same army and depending on your prefered force composition possibly quite a bit more. It will still need adjustment but that should be much closer. With respect to your specific question about the cost of armor units, they are correct. The Black Legion armor is 25 points per unit cheaper than SM equivalents and the point values are based on BL. It is generally expected that the SM armor will drop in points in the upcoming rules review. If you play with the list, I would love to hear some feedback. It should be low on activations because the basic formations are expensive and it tends to be sort of slow. It usually works out that the armor and Silver Towers trade fire with the enemy units with good ranged fire while the TSons formations attempt to close to assault range. |
Author: | Morg [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Questions regarding Thousand Sons Vault List |
Thanks for the answer. I have sent you an email regarding the list. As I have mentioned I am not the 1k Sons player but I am likely to play against the list in early April. Expect some feedback then ![]() |
Author: | nealhunt [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Questions regarding Thousand Sons Vault List |
Sent. If you are partial to using titans and don't mind trying it out, I'd like to hear about alternate weapons loads based on the Tzeentch Cannons and Beams of Power if you try them. I was also considering switching up the CC/FF values for the Warlord class (CC3+/FF2+) based on Tzeentch being more shooty, but I am concerned about balance issues with that. |
Author: | Tactica [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Questions regarding Thousand Sons Vault List |
NH, I'll second a vault update request with this list. It does seem to be a bit behind decisions made in 3.5 - not to mention 3.7 of BL. ![]() Cheers, |
Author: | nealhunt [ Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Questions regarding Thousand Sons Vault List |
Let me knock out some alternate stats for the titans for testing, then I'll throw it out there. |
Author: | BlackLegion [ Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Questions regarding Thousand Sons Vault List |
I skimmed a bit through the rules. Wow a TK(D3) BP-weapon on the Warp Palace! ![]() Are Thrall Wizzards characters or an extra unit? I guess characters? And shouldn't the Autocannon in the Sorcerer Lord Cabal be something like a warp blast? A autocannon doesn't really fit. And why can you only summon one grater deamon? Ok it only costs 4 summoning points instead of the 8 as in the BL3.7 list, but why this change? |
Author: | nealhunt [ Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Questions regarding Thousand Sons Vault List |
Wow a TK(D3) BP-weapon on the Warp Palace! |
Author: | BlackLegion [ Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Questions regarding Thousand Sons Vault List |
Ah ok ![]() For the autocannon thingie. In the Wh40k rules there are rougly two types of Tausand Sons: Sorcerers and Non-Sorcerers. Sorcerers arer always characters or choosen/possessed and the Non-Sorcerers are always the automaton powerarmors with bolters, no heavy weapons! So the autocannon seems to be out of place. A Beam of Corruption would be better i guess. But i like the list very much ![]() ![]() |
Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Questions regarding Thousand Sons Vault List |
Oh, and the points costs for Champions are missing in the upgrades table. |
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