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| Author: | Man of kent [ Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
Ok; so, from what i've seen at tournaments and from a lot of tournament lists (indeed, lists in general) i notice that there are many units that just don't get used! The questions i'd like to pose are what to do with them and why don't people use them? Some example follow -army by army - below Imperial Guard -Super Heavy Formations -Orbital Support (pretty specialized i know...) -Mauraders (we all know these are broken!) -Hellhounds Titans (in general) -Reavers (though i would like to try out a 4k list with 2 of them) Marines -Predator Detachments -Vindicator Detachments Orks -Dreadnoughts and Killakans -Spaceships -Fortresses Eldar -Cobra (useless on their own, far too expensive to take 3!) -Bombers Other Suggestions so far include: BL banelord greater daemon bombers ELDAR bomber banshees? Are there more that people would happily add to a list of 'rarely used' units? Am i completely wrong about some of the above? What about LatD and Black Legion units? I know i'd certainly like to see more of them around; especially ork dreads etc; it just feel like part of the fluff has dropped out of the game sometimes! |
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| Author: | Steve54 [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
In the last couple of year in UK tourneys I don't think we've seen- IG spacecraft marauders SM vindicators ORKS kommandos? fortresses BL banelord greater daemon bombers ELDAR bomber banshees? |
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| Author: | rose4100 [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
i use Baneblades in a Company and ShadowSwords as singles but i agree on the Murauders. Way too expensive for two, thunder bolts are fine for air support. The look of an opponent when you pull a Company of BB's around a corner and unload is always fun  . |
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| Author: | Man of kent [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
ah yes; i was going to mention ork Fortresses; i've made lists with them just for fun but don't tink i'd seriously consider them otherwise; too much risk at too mucj points cost; 125 pts to mount the a normal mob in a fortress versus 140pts to mount them in wagons that don't stand the chance of being blown to shreds and killing all on board after a single hit always wins for me... |
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| Author: | alansa [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
(Man of kent @ Jun. 16 2008,09:45) QUOTE ah yes; i was going to mention ork Fortresses; i've made lists with them just for fun but don't tink i'd seriously consider them otherwise; too much risk at too mucj points cost; 125 pts to mount the a normal mob in a fortress versus 140pts to mount them in wagons that don't stand the chance of being blown to shreds and killing all on board after a single hit always wins for me... Yep, I only use forts for fun, and 'cause I like the models. How would you fix them MoK? --- IG Super Heavy Companies I see a lot of. At least Shadowsword ones. Don't see Baneblades much though. |
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| Author: | Mark_Logue [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
Super Heavy Formations Eldar -Bombers BL -bombers These are all units that I think are great. I think different units can suit different play styles and be much more effective depending on the way they are played. |
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
I use Dreads and Kanz with Mobz. They can garrison with the mob. As Walkers, they can move in the same terrain as the boyz (except buildings, obviously) and get -1 to be hit. They add decent ranged fire and FF for the points. If the mob has to go across open terrain, they can use the AVs for cover. I don't use it frequently, but it's a very useful combination, especially if you throw in a Stompa or two to take the first AT hit(s) on 4+RA armor. We also use Forts regularly as the cheapest way to mechanize the Orks. You have to use lots of WEs with them, though (usually for us, that's a swarm of Forts, but some Supastompas or a Gargant can work as well). Just 1 or 2 forts in the army gives the TK weapons something for target practice. |
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| Author: | Dwarf Supreme [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
I too usually use Dreads and Killakanz. I like the CC boost they give. Also, I regularly use Reavers. |
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| Author: | Nicodemus [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
Ork Space ships, anyone? |
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| Author: | Moscovian [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
I saw Killa Kans on this past tournament. |
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| Author: | Man of kent [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
(nealhunt @ Jun. 16 2008,14:32) QUOTE I use Dreads and Kanz with Mobz. They can garrison with the mob. As Walkers, they can move in the same terrain as the boyz (except buildings, obviously) and get -1 to be hit. They add decent ranged fire and FF for the points. If the mob has to go across open terrain, they can use the AVs for cover. I don't use it frequently, but it's a very useful combination, especially if you throw in a Stompa or two to take the first AT hit(s) on 4+RA armor. We also use Forts regularly as the cheapest way to mechanize the Orks. You have to use lots of WEs with them, though (usually for us, that's a swarm of Forts, but some Supastompas or a Gargant can work as well). Just 1 or 2 forts in the army gives the TK weapons something for target practice. That's a good idea concerning the dreads and kans actually; i hadn't thought of using them as cover! My fortresses are only used alongside lots of other choice war engine units too; so plenty of stompas, and a great gargant! Give the enemy too many targets! Sometimes i use kans etc as sacrificial pawns in front of my stompa's Alansa: I would consider 100pts a fair deal for fortress; certainly not the 135/125! |
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| Author: | Man of kent [ Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
Ditto ork spaceships. I also rarely see Kommandos. Though they can be good for putting in a stormboyz mob that's dropping in on a Landa; infiltrate makes it easier to finish off units that end within 15cm of an enemy after losing an assault. I agree however with Marks point, though perhaps only concerning SH formations of Shadowswords; 3x3TKd3 shots anyone!? |
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| Author: | Ginger [ Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
(Man of kent @ Jun. 16 2008,20:57) QUOTE Ditto ork spaceships. I also rarely see Kommandos. Though they can be good for putting in a stormboyz mob that's dropping in on a Landa; infiltrate makes it easier to finish off units that end within 15cm of an enemy after losing an assault. I agree however with Marks point, though perhaps only concerning SH formations of Shadowswords; 3x3TKd3 shots anyone!? In a recent game against IG, I fielded a pair of Cobras which found themselves near an unharmed formation of Shadowswords / Baneblades - As he had left them grouped together at around 7 cms apart from each other, the results were not pretty (at least as far as he was concerned  )
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| Author: | pixelgeek [ Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rarely used units |
I think that in many cases units that don't get used are usually not that bad in and of themselves its just that there are usually alternatives that are cheaper or just better for the same point value. So reducing the point values (as suggested in the title) isn't necessarily the best solution since this can lead to armies that then have two or more cheap useful units. True some things just suck (Dreads for example) but many units just aren't as effective in the game as others and don't ge used. Like Baneblades as opposed to Shadowswords. I'm one of those idiots that takes units in his army because he likes them and not because they are a better point value so I tend to take things like Baneblades and Predators. :-) |
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