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Author:  iblisdrax [ Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:53 pm ]
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I played my first test 'Nid game last night, a 1000 point vs Eldar.  I'm not very familiar with the Eldar, but I think that he was running 2 warhosts, a falcon detachment, and a long range detachment.  On the other side we had 2 hive tyrants with tyranid guards, 10 carnifaxes, 17 gaunts, a biovore, and a formation of genestealers.  The Eldar pummeled the genestealers right off the bat (anyone else think that they are a little weak with 6+ armor?) and put some hurt on the 2 tyrant formations (had to split the horde to go around terrain) but then made the mistake of assaulting a half strength tyrant host with a warhost+falcons.  Result: Dead warhost(well one falcon survived :p ).  Then the 'nids respawned most of the detachment right back!!  Things went drastically downhill for the Eldar after that.  
    In conclusion, I think that the Nids are very tough.  But, in retrospect, I don't think that the Eldar are very well matched against them, ie, lots of AT firepower, not so good Ap shots (of which the nids have a lot!), and expensive formations.  
    Comments, anyone?  Was this the best Eldar formations to use?  And I know, assaulting the nids(the most dangerous CC army in the game, far as I know) was a bad mistake.

my 2 cents,

iblisdrax
Author:  iblisdrax [ Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:21 pm ]
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Hmm, nobody wants to comment?  Strange, on this board... :p

my 2cents,

iblisdrax
Author:  Legion 4 [ Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:42 pm ]
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Have not played 'Nids or Eldar with E:A rules (most of my 'Nids are SIB ! :blush:) ... or I would be glad to help you or at least make comments of some worth ...   ???
Author:  nealhunt [ Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:54 pm ]
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Your assessment sounds about right to me.  Eldar are lacking in AP fire, using assaults to make up for it.  Obviously, not so great against Nids.  Personally, facing Nids with Eldar, I would place objectives deep in their territory and take dark reapers in wave serpents and guardian FF hosts in wave serpents.

It's important to note that the game isn't really balanced for just 1000 points, too.  Also, I am curious about your Nid list.  Was it just throwing down the models that were available?

2 Hive tyrant formations is 500 points
10 Carnifex is 500 points
That's 1000 points before you get to any of the gaunts, so the nids may have just had more points.  

Both categories (synapse and "elite" broods) are restricted to 25% of the overall points, meaning that it would need to be a 2000 point list to field all of that.  Of course, if you are playing 1000 points, I guess you might as well toss out the force selection restrictions, too, since it won't be balanced anyway.  It's just an observation.
Author:  iblisdrax [ Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:52 pm ]
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Well, you are right about the force restrictions as far as the Hive Tyrants go, we couldnt field two of them legally.  That was a mistake.  The Carnifaxes, however, are only 25 points apiece in my list, which I pulled off the web the night before.  So, if the 'nids were restricted to the one Tyrant, we probably would have taken another det of 'stealers, or more biovores.  I don't think it would have changed the outcome, tho, not the way the Eldar were played.  Like I said, it was a learning game on both sides. :oo

my 2cents,

iblisdrax
Author:  CrimsonFury [ Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:08 pm ]
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IMO the Tyranid list needs the most work done on it out of all the lists currently in the vault.

I've just put my 'nids aside until September when they will be getting an update. (too far away :( ). I find the current list too unbalanced (playing both with and against 'nids)
Author:  Dooglebug [ Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:43 pm ]
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The army selection feels very restricted. They have a serious activation defficiency as it is with only a quarter of points on synapse. The respawn thing has potential but it limits them to one mode of play. This is bad for replayability.

I used to play nids in 40k. You can absolutely muller your opponent with them for 2-4 games if they've never met nids before but they soon adapt and there is a limit to how much you can do to change your strategy reduceing the game to target selection.
Author:  iblisdrax [ Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:40 pm ]
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In my opinion, the 'nids are the hardest out there to balance, just because of the radically different way that their army is laid out.  In particular, the synapse issue is a big one: do you give them more, making them more powerfull, or reduce, restricting force options and strategy?  Maybe this is why it has been a long time since a revised list, and one not slated till Sept.    :(

my 2cents,

iblisdrax
Author:  iblisdrax [ Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:36 am ]
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Hmmm, any other comments on the subject?  (thinly disguised bummp :p )

my  :laugh:  :laugh: cents,

iblisdrax
Author:  vanvlak [ Sat May 28, 2005 11:43 am ]
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Hi all,
knowing full well that the rush-into-the-open-and-assault aspect of WH40K does not appeal to all, and that Epic provides a more rational approach to wargaming, do you feel close-combat oriented armies have a role in Epic, and if so, which of these do you think fits this description (a close-combat army) best whilst still making Epic sense? Apologies if I omitted any!
Author:  stormseer [ Sat May 28, 2005 11:51 am ]
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Great minds think alike... :;):
Author:  Legion 4 [ Sat May 28, 2005 4:02 pm ]
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Well I voted for 'Nids cause they are classic Sci-Fi bugs. But we're making it a point to give them more range weapons like Bio-Tanks using some of the old Space Fleet models. You all know what I'm going to say next !  :D ... If you like C/Cbt so much play WHFB or Warmaster !!!  :laugh: :;):  Good narrative "V" ! :)
Author:  vanvlak [ Sat May 28, 2005 5:46 pm ]
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And I did have a feeling you'd go for the Nids. :D
Author:  netepic [ Sat May 28, 2005 8:46 pm ]
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You missed out my Dark Angel rush of doom - against Tau firefights don't work and I have to get into CC before Dougs air force (which comprises half of the Tau models every produced by the Forgeworld factories obliterates my army)
Author:  dafrca [ Sat May 28, 2005 11:02 pm ]
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OK, if I had to play a "Charge for all you are worth" army, it would be bugs.

Of course, the fact I own almost no bugs should tell you something. :;):

:laugh:

dafrca
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