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| Author: | primarch [ Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Epic Index Astartes!!! |
Hi! I can see the "intent" of the rule and its application. Problem is if you switch the rule to be used before the other units "acts" you may have scenarios of "overwatching the overwatched unit". I ran into this problem when designing Heresy, I solved it by not making overwatch automatic, but dependant on a "reaction" roll. It worked well. Primarch |
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| Author: | primarch [ Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Epic Index Astartes!!! |
Hi! We use the same SM1 era rule in net epic too. Primarch |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:03 pm ] |
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If it works ... we use it !
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| Author: | primarch [ Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:04 pm ] |
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Hi! Definitely, haven't found better!  Primarch |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:31 am ] |
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I see ... a slight modification may be needed ... has anyone brought this up with J.J. ? 
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| Author: | Jimbo [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:50 am ] | ||
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You can only overwatch fire when an enemy formation moves. Can you fire normally rather than use overwatch fire? |
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| Author: | Tas [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:05 am ] |
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Hmmm...think of what is actually happenign on the ground and what the rules are trying to represent: Commissar: Sit here Troopers- shoot anything that moves! Scared trropers: Aye Aye Sir! Or Here they come lads! Show them the Emperor's Fury! zap zap zap! They firing units have to see something, otherwise they wont fire. Similarly, they are waiting for the bad guys to rush in so hey can get a better shot: "Wait till you see the whites of their eyes!" Otherwise put them on Sustained Fire. So in essence, I think its what you are expecting to get out of Overwatch rather than the rule itself [Disclaimer- this example uses Human male terms. No Racist/Sexist/Armist inference is intended  ] |
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| Author: | Agent Brown [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Epic Index Astartes!!! |
I really don't see the problem. The only way for the situation that has been referred to happen is if you went into OW when there was an enemy formation that had you within range of their weapons or an enemy formation moves closer to you but still out of range of your weapons and within range of theirs. That is the choice you make as a commander. You could have went on to Sustained fire or moved away/closer etc., but chose not to. Instead, you decide to wait until the enemy get closer or a juicier target comes along. To activate OW fire when shot at seems a little like having your cake and eating it. As for two formations on OW squaring off, again this is down to the commanders rather than the rule. If you allow the situation to happen, that's up to you. |
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| Author: | primarch [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Epic Index Astartes!!! |
Hi! Welcome to the forums Agent Brown. Primarch |
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| Author: | Agent Brown [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 2:34 pm ] | ||
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Thankyou. Pleasure to be here. |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:10 pm ] |
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Very good points Tas and Agent Brown. Nice to have you on board Agent Brown, clear logical thinking is always welcomed. And I like game rules that make you think and "take command", so to speak. Understanding game rules come in two phases. Based on my experiences, 1) reading & understanding the rules and 2) using them tactically in the game to (closely ?) simulate a type of combat action ... Or you could just play 40K !!!  
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| Author: | iblisdrax [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:04 pm ] |
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Hmmm, after some thought, I agree that the rules require no modification. After all, how many times is this situation going to occur in a game? If the opposing force goes into overwatch after watching you march up, then they should pay the price for guessing wrong. Although, if I had an assault biased formation march up to one of mine, I would probably think about doing the same thing. And how many pro-assault formations can really shoot good at range? my 2cents, iblisdrax |
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| Author: | Tas [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:58 pm ] | ||
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Often in a good game!- but then that is part of the Command Decision Process. As you say there are a myriad of factors- guess the wrong one and your men will suffer for it. There are lots of tactical options here, and OW is only one of the possible solutions.... PS Greetings Agent Brown!- Hope you like it here as much as we do!
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Epic Index Astartes!!! |
Good call Agent Brown ... the more guys play E:A and tell us about it, the more we all can learn ! 
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| Author: | primarch [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Epic Index Astartes!!! |
Hi! Goes to show sometimes a rule may bug "you" but everyone else is okay with it. Gaming quirks is all. Primarch |
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