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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options?  Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:24 pm |
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I dunno about that, I thought Jervis did a fairly good job of "fessing up" to his mistakes in the Epic40K design and came up with a nice fix in the form of Epic Armageddon
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Its not a comment directed towards rules design, but their marketing. Which is virtually unchanged in regards to how epic is presented and sold. Exposure is still low, availability patchy (depends on where you live) and support via MO in most cases.
Game design is one thing, marketing another. 
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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options? Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:28 pm |
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Robilus, compared to epic 40k era stuff, I think the current quality is very hit or miss. While the Epic 40k rules may have flopped, the minis they came out with at that time look VERY good and are of high quality and detail. That was seven years ago. You'd think they do it better now, but I dont see it.
Average quality at astronomical prices is not the way to go.
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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options? Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:41 pm |
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| Quote (dafrca @ 18 2004 Oct.,22:13) | I am glad they worked out for you. I just disagree they are "up to snuff". Landraider with so much extra metal as to make some details obscure, Vulture with poor cast, Land speeder with mold lines that are very unacceptable (looked like 1980s stuff). Not to even go into a full company of Chimeras each with so much poo still attached as to make me wonder if the mold was even sealed before they ran it.
No, when compaired with the last release, GW has lost their QC, lost their high ground on detail, lost their minds on prices, and overall lost the feel that they were number one.
It is a classic example of someone resting on past laurels.
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I feel for you. As I said though, most of the newer minis I haven't had a problem with. The only things I have had are a bit of extra metal on the sides of predator and whirlwind hulls (fairly easily removed), and some bad Storm Troopers.
The main problem I have had is with re-cast old models, which I agree is really bad.
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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options? Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:50 pm |
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| Quote (primarch @ 18 2004 Oct.,22:28) | | the minis they came out with at that time look VERY good and are of high quality and detail. That was seven years ago. You'd think they do it better now, but I dont see it. |
The minis from the 1996 release were good, not great due to the styling, but good, as far as the vehicles go. And of course, the IG plastics remain unmatched.
However, I think they definetly do it better now (casting issues aside) where all non-infantry stuff is concerned.
Things like the Vulture and the SM Landing Craft, all the new SM vehicles really, the new siege guns, the FW stuff. For me, nothing in the old 1996 Epic 40K line is as well done as those minis.
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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options? Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:45 am |
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| Quote (primarch @ 18 2004 Oct.,16:21) | I guess we just need to be more discriminating in our purchases. I used to buy epic, just because it had the epic label on it. Now I'll be extremely judicious in what makes it into the "primarchload"...  |
This is what I am thinking as well.
I have been looking forward to the new minisand the release of some of the older minis. It is hard for me to tell the recasts from the originals now. The poor QC along with the high prices that has be slowing down my overall excitement.
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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options? Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:47 am |
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Hi!
Tell you what...
...since picking up ONE blister or pack for a lot of this stuff is no big deal, I'll offer myself as the "guinea pig". I'll pick one up, take pictures and such and then you can make up your minds if its worth it or not.
I figure that at least half the time they will be good and the other half will be put into my bit box.....
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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options? Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:47 am |
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| Quote (Robilus @ 18 2004 Oct.,15:41) | | I feel for you. ?As I said though, most of the newer minis I haven't had a problem with. |
Thanks, maybe I will have better luck on the next buy.
I will say, I agree the storm troopers left a lot to be desired. I think my Siege Troops will have to just use some proxies and some of the old school minis.
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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options? Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 6:10 am |
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"I will say, I agree the storm troopers left a lot to be desired. "
And thats where the old Assault Guardsmen come in!
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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options? Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:03 am |
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| Quote (Tas @ 18 2004 Oct.,22:10) | "I will say, I agree the storm troopers left a lot to be desired. "
And thats where the old Assault Guardsmen come in! |
I agree 100%. I have enough for two "Storm Trooper" formations. I just have to make up mu mind to assemble the FW Valkeries now. 
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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options? Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:53 am |
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I havent actually got any of the models since the release of EA.
You guys are making me think twice about ordering, especially with the extra postage - is it really that bad? And if so, why havent we all been screaming at GW Customer Service? 
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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options? Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:29 am |
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| Quote (dafrca @ 19 2004 Oct.,04:47) | Thanks, maybe I will have better luck on the next buy. ?
I will say, I agree the storm troopers left a lot to be desired. I think my Siege Troops will have to just use some proxies and some of the old school minis.
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Its true sadly. I was really excited about the ST's, especially after seeing the close up pics on tuffskulls site.
I was disapointed when they arrived. I'd say out of the blisters I got, about 1/3rd were up to standard, 1/3rd were just OK after work with a knife and a file on their right legs, and the last 1/3rd were fit only for being melted down.
Hopefully FW will release some decent Storm Troopers to go with their Grey Knights stuff, as is rumoured
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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options? Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:34 am |
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| Quote (Tas @ 19 2004 Oct.,10:53) | | You guys are making me think twice about ordering, especially with the extra postage - is it really that bad? ? |
No, its not that bad in my experience. The only things I'd say you should avoid are the Leman Russ Company set, the Chimera blister and the Stormtrooper blister.
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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options? Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:40 pm |
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Hi!
The funny thing is that the actual winner in recent epic releases is FW. Good models at a good price.
I never thought I'd say that about FW prices, but it seems to be getter truer and truer....
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Post subject: Best Predator/Razorback options? Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:41 pm |
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Yeah, and Ebay....prices higher and higher!! 
my 2cents,
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