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Post subject: FW Tau  Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 11:45 am |
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| Quote (Gandalf the Grey @ 03 2003 June,18:33) | Someone said earlier in this thread
When it comes right down to it, plastic is freakin cheap as hell, and sometimes the packaging can cost more that the contents (take food for example). ?Another cost increase is that these are manufactured and packaged in the US and UK, and not Taiwan or something. ?That alone can be a huge factor. |
Hi I feel I have to comment on this thread. Plastic material is relatively cheap. However In this case the controlling factor is not the material price but the casting method. I feel qualified to comment because I was production manager for a large toy company specialising in metal diecasting and plastic injection moulding for many years. The problem is that you cannot effectively pour plastics the properties of the material will not allow you to do it . The only way to effectively cast plastic is injection moulding at high pressures in heated moulds, which if you want highly detailed with undercuts etc means multipart sliding moulds. These do not come cheap either in manufacture, design or working life. the price is also affected by the high quality plastic that GW use. polythene, the soft bendy plastic that many manufacturers use ie Airfix and ESCI is much easier to cast We as a company would not touch a product with a bargepole unless sales predictions began at a minimum of 10,000 shots. As the size of the castings gets smaller and finer the costs escalate as extracting the air and designing the fill of the mould becomes technically difficult.Based on my experience I would say that to convince GW to refurbish the existing moulds Jervis has done a great job. As to new figures he will be hard pushed to justify the expenditure required to convince GW to produce in plastic. The developement costs of metal moulds are way lower and production runs much smaller. the other side of the coin is material is more expensive. There is no "easy" way.
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 12:05 pm |
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Cheers Bob for that, yeah one of the things I noticed when starting 40k was the difference in the plastic- it seemed tougher.....
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 12:51 pm |
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Regarding what Primarch said:
In my view the biggest "beef" I have with GW's pricing schemes is that sometimes prices are "game" related instead of the actual amount of raw resources or sculpting work involved in the miniatures you get in a blister. |
Yes, I know what you mean, and sometimes it is ridiculous- single special characters for 40k for ?9, but I can understand the logic sometimes- for example, the new Chaos Obliterrators, absoloutly superb models, sure they are expensive, but not many will be sold- not every Chaos general will want them, and even then they may only get one or two..... 
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:36 am |
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Hey guys I'm placing an order at forgeworld and was trying to decide on the composition of my superheavy tank company.
What would you chose Shadowswords or Baneblades.
Just wanted to hear your thoughts.
Thanks
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:32 am |
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Both, they complement each other and work together ... I've used them together often in the past ... 
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:25 am |
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The one catch is FW sells in packs of 3.
What can you do...
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:15 am |
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If you regularly fight against enemy war engines, then I'd take the shadowswords. If not, maybe the baneblades, although they are really just a big leman russ.
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:02 pm |
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I agree, you should have an OPTION to take both. If you are facing a warmachine heavy army, then take Shadowswords, otherwise Baneblades. You might be better mixing them, with a formation of 2 Baneblades and one Shadowsword.
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:46 pm |
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Why not splash out and get a pack of each?
-At ?6 each they were actually cheaper than the E40k metals last time they were on sale, so I'd get some quick before prices go up without warning... 
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:08 pm |
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And......... it is almost certain that they WILL
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:28 pm |
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Yeah, I concur with the statements above. If you are facing large numbers of war engines, or even units with high armor values, ie, the 'nids, take Shadowswords. Otherwise, the Baneblades are a nice complement to a Leman Reuss detachment.
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:53 pm |
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C/C you may have to do what I do with F/W. Buy a pack of each, keep what you want and sell your extras here at cost + postage. I've done it many times before. It's the only way to go. And there are other guys out there like us who don't want 3 of everything !
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:10 pm |
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Thanks for the replys guys. looks like the best solution is to get both types.
Flexibility right... 
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:32 pm |
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Hi!
I consider the baneblade to be the "staple" super heavy tank, with the shadow sword as a heavy support tank. I usually get them in a proportion or 2 to 1 in favor of the baneblades.
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Post subject: FW Tau Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:05 am |
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Primarch, that is also the way I thought about them. I have two companies of 3 baneblades, and 4 shadowswords which usually get fielded individually.
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