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New Phantom and Revenant
MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:30 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	StormSeer, Maksim - a little quibble - Good call. I'll fix it later. Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/

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Tas	Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:56 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:01 am Posts: 7823 Location: Sydney, NSW	The desire to have some sort of amphibious rules was mentioned a few times on the "The Future of E-A after Initial Rerelease?" thread and a lot of people (including me) think it would be cool to be able to do Normandy/Tarawa/Solomons/(Insert Amphibious operation name here) type scenarios, especially since the Orks did amphibious type raids during the Armageddon campaign. So...I got to thinking about it to consider exactly what additional rules would be needed. It's not an exhaustive list at all and like so many things depends on what level of detail you want to get into. Anyhow, here some stuff, please add you own and thoughts. Offshore firepower (naval bombardment support) - Treat exactly as per artillery strikes. The presence of multiple units could be represented as separate strikes e.g. a cruiser and two destroyers offshore in support are represented by a 3 BP bombardment and 2 x 1 BP. Range limited to say shoreline +50cm to abstract the ships' ranges, and this way we dont need extensive rules and stats for naval vessels. Fortifications and Obstacles - Obviously an essential part, haven't they been raised before? Amphibiousity - We will need a list of what vehicles (e.g. Chimeras) are amphibious and can "swim" themselves to shore. Others will need landing barges (think LST) or something to cross the wet stuff. Swimming vehicles will have to have a separate speed, say 10cm, to represent them being slower in the water. - I imagine establishing a "surf zone" say 10cm from the water's edge. If a landing craft is sunk in deeper water than that its cargo is destroyed/drowned. No save. If lost in the surf zone, they get a save. "Bloody Omaha" effect - There is no cover in the surf or on the edge of the beach. Nowhere to hide. Units being fired upon in this area suffer a +1 to hit penalty (i.e. its easier to hit them). Nobody said this would be easy! Scenario Construction - Not dissimilar to the old SM-era "Assault" scenario. Defenders get half the points of the attackers and may buy fortifications. Attackers cost normal points, can't garrison units, but may deploy orbital units from say turn 2 onward. Normal army list restrictions apply (and now I just HAVE to make a model of a Warlord waist deep in water wading ashore! ) - That's it for now...of course, there are lots of other more detailed bits that could be factored in or which could be optional. Over to you guys... _________________ Tas My General blog: http://tasmancave.blogspot.com/ My VSF Blog: http://pauljamesog.blogspot.com/ My ECW Blog: http://declaresir.blogspot.com/
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Legion 4	Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 3:24 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	Some good stuff, Tas! ? For vehicles, Old Crow makes some excellent landing craft. And GHQ makes some good Amphib. models too. Most Imperial & Ork vehicles might need some modifications. Chimeras could be equal to USMC Amphtracks and L/Russes or Preds equal to DD Shermans. Orks could have similar vehicles. ? ? Everything else would have to be landed on the beach in LCMs, LSTs and LCACs. And Thunderhawks/Vultures loaded with Grunts could be use for vertical envelopment, launched from off-board LPHAs. As well as strike aircraft from off-board carriers. ? "Lets GO!", Ike on D-1! ? _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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Tas	Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 3:41 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:01 am Posts: 7823 Location: Sydney, NSW	yeah some that Iron Crow stuff is very nice.  I have some of their resin riverine stuff I bought at SALUTE 01. I can just imagine how much fun it would be to scratch build some Orky landing craft   Now does anybody know where the proposed Fortification stuff was? _________________ Tas My General blog: http://tasmancave.blogspot.com/ My VSF Blog: http://pauljamesog.blogspot.com/ My ECW Blog: http://declaresir.blogspot.com/
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Legion 4	Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 4:04 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	WWII LCMs would be a good base for Ork Landing Craft, then just add bitz! ? I'm sure I've seen Fortifications, somewhere? F/W has a few small pieces... _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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Tas	Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 4:06 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:01 am Posts: 7823 Location: Sydney, NSW	Quote (Legion 4 @ 04 2003 Sep.,13:04) WWII LCMs would be a good base for Ork Landing Craft, then just add bitz! ? I'm sure I've seen Fortifications, somewhere? F/W has a few small pieces... ? ? Actually I meant Fortifiction rules for use with E-A... _________________ Tas My General blog: http://tasmancave.blogspot.com/ My VSF Blog: http://pauljamesog.blogspot.com/ My ECW Blog: http://declaresir.blogspot.com/
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Jimbo	Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:57 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex	Quote (Legion 4 @ 04 2003 Sep.,04:04) WWII LCMs would be a good base for Ork Landing Craft, then just add bitz ! did just that with some SDD 15mm and 20mm Vietnam Riverine Craft. Added Pulsa Rokitts and BattleFortress turrets as well as Buggy Gunners. It was too clean to begin with, so I added metal "cladding" to the sides to have a "gargant" look to the sides of the boats. They're in the process of been painted at the moment (just a pity the moment is approx 6 months to a year) _________________ Jimbo Felix's Gaming Pages Felix's Gaming Pages Blog Almost Always Right...
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MaksimSmelchak

Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 3:07 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA

did just that with some SDD 15mm and 20mm Vietnam Riverine Craft. Added Pulsa Rokitts and BattleFortress turrets as well as Buggy Gunners. It was too clean to begin with, so I added metal "cladding" to the sides to have a "gargant" look to the sides of the boats. Jimbo, We need photos and I mean badly! I REALLY need to see this! Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/

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Legion 4	Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 3:32 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	Yes, photos are a good thing! _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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Jimbo	Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 9:30 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex	...but they're not finished... _________________ Jimbo Felix's Gaming Pages Felix's Gaming Pages Blog Almost Always Right...
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Tas	Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 10:49 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:01 am Posts: 7823 Location: Sydney, NSW	It doesn't matter. I've said it before mate... It's immoral and possibly illegal to make such comments and then not back them up with eye candy. It's understood that they aren't finished, but that's no excuse! _________________ Tas My General blog: http://tasmancave.blogspot.com/ My VSF Blog: http://pauljamesog.blogspot.com/ My ECW Blog: http://declaresir.blogspot.com/
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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:19 am
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	Jimbo, ...but they're not finished... I shared my Ork Bommas before they received paint... Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/

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Tas	Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:24 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:01 am Posts: 7823 Location: Sydney, NSW	Dragging this back OT... What else do we need to play amphib assaults? _________________ Tas My General blog: http://tasmancave.blogspot.com/ My VSF Blog: http://pauljamesog.blogspot.com/ My ECW Blog: http://declaresir.blogspot.com/
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Jimbo

Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:52 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex

Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 04 2003 Sep.,15:07) did just that with some SDD 15mm and 20mm Vietnam Riverine Craft. Added Pulsa Rokitts and BattleFortress turrets as well as Buggy Gunners. It was too clean to begin with, so I added metal "cladding" to the sides to have a "gargant" look to the sides of the boats. Jimbo, We need photos and I mean badly! I REALLY need to see this! Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. okay so I am a little bit late with these, but what is six weeks between friends... these are unfinished Heavy Ork River Monitor ...but when they are finished those 'umies on dem surfboardz better wotch out _________________ Jimbo Felix's Gaming Pages Felix's Gaming Pages Blog Almost Always Right...

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Jimbo	Post subject: New Phantom and Revenant Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:54 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex	Light Ork River Monitor will finish them one day... _________________ Jimbo Felix's Gaming Pages Felix's Gaming Pages Blog Almost Always Right...
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