The increasing power of aircraft |
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:38 pm |
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Yes it was however, CAP is the more commenly used term then "High Guard" today ... in most military circles ... Just like the NATO terms "Fire and Maneuver" and "Fire and Movement" in the US Army ... Close ... not the same, IIRC ...
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Tas
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:44 pm |
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DCA is the most accurate modern term for the concpet. OCA (Offensive Counter Air) is a fighter sweep over the objectve to draw off or neutralise the DCA before the strike aircraft come in.
Of course, most people still say CAP and everyone knows what they mean! 
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dafrca
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:34 pm |
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Or some of us just say, oh heck with the flyers, send in the Orbital Strikes.
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Legion 4
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:10 am |
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Yep ... most still say CAP ! Like we used to say "Booby Trap" ... now they say IED ... 
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dafrca
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:17 am |
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:21 am |
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I'd rather not have anything to do with an IED or STD ! 
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Jaldon
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:45 am |
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Leave the IED on the FLR, send the CEV forward to deal with it, while I move from the MLR, to "Brass Hat" territory to get an STD ?
The questions is what this has to do with CAP, DCA, OCA, GAM, SNAFU, and WWATCF, and the growing power of aircraft in EPic-A?
Just curious
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dafrca
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:03 am |
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[dafrca wonders if even Jaldon knows what he just said... ]
dafrca
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:07 am |
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:22 pm |
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Got it Jaldon ! Roger ... Out ! 
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dafrca
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:43 pm |
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Oh and to bring the topic back slightly, I do not think the present system will allow for a sane and fair discussion of the power of aircraft, so I expect it to keep shifting until they have to redo the whole aircraft rules over. That is the GW style afterall.
dafrca
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:07 pm |
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Before Fury of Champions Jervis was chatting with some of us early arrivals and he did say that he was thinking of changing parts of the aircraft rules.
He was looking at transport aircraft and having them drop off troops and not staying on the field. A similar evac rule would also be added.
Tim
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:25 pm |
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Daf/L4: Thanks for the info. I'm not big on air combat history and had never heard the term.
Tiny-Tim: I can confirm that Jervis has sent modifications to that effect to the ERC. They were generally well-received.
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Tiny-Tim
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:43 pm |
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The question that comes to mind is,
Are the points cost of the transport aircraft going to be looked at. One thing the JJ was talking about was that transport aircraft would no longer land for a turn. This could in one foul swoop do away with the final turn aircraft manoeuvre to grab/contest objectives.
This could ruin my style of play.
Tim
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Post subject: The increasing power of aircraft Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:08 pm |
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My gut reaction is that you need to look for something besides your air transport to snag objectives.
Not sure about point costs. While they won't have the ability to land, they will undoubtedly have markedly less vulnerability by never becoming ground units. Heck, most of the air transports are nearly worth their points just as ground-attack craft, and such a change would basically guarantee their use as such for the entire battle. My guess would be that is just about even, at least enough to leave the points alone to start.
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