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THE Gargant Discussion

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 12:15 am 
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Well, its been a long time since I took a basic science that covered something like this, but the important thing is that now I know where it comes from.

All knowledge is good! :)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:14 am 
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Hey Guys,

Has anyone thought about building Steam Gargantz for the new Feral Orks list yet?

It seems to me that building up enough power for a Zapp Gun might be hard using steam power...  :oo

I'm also wondering whether the Orks are using polluting steam technology or nonpolluting... :-:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 3:01 pm 
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Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 21 2003 Aug.,05:14)
I'm also wondering whether the Orks are using polluting steam technology or nonpolluting...

somehow I don't think Orks are too bothered about the greenhouse effect or the depletion of the ozone layer!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 8:30 pm 
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I don't think Orks would be "Earth" friendly, they like killing and Squig beer, that's it!

No self respecting Ork would recycle... :p

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Jimbo and Primarch,

I don't think Orks would be "Earth" friendly, they like killing and Squig beer, that's it!  


I think that underneath the new fluff that the Orks are a "fungal" life form is some neat fluff with some interesting ramifications.

Such as the Orks have their own self-contained TRAVELING ecosystem. This can effectively mean that Orks slowly coopt and transform other environments into their ideal environment. It's Terraforming (Maybe Orkiforming or K'rorkiforming?) without any effort.

Think about it! If Orks need a damp turgid place to grow mew Orks, what place could be better than a junkyard or a battlefield littered with the wrecks and carcasses of the slain and destroyed? Gorka-Morka, anyone?

No self-respecting Ork would recycle...


They may not conscientiously recycle, but I think they do it out of habit and instinct. Between Squigs, which eat practically anything and Orks, which aren't much pickier (the green skin is chlorform, right?), Orks can make any environment their own.

Thoughts of how the ecosystem could hypothetically work are fascinating. A small closed but self-containing ecosystem could be a mean invention.

In many regards, the Orks are much more impressive than the Tyranids.

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Hi!

That's an interesting line of thought and it's quite in keeping with the old fluff.

For those who have read the ol "Ere We Go" Ork book back in the RT days, it was a very entertaining book that went into how Orks actually live.

I found it interesting that their most important communal activity was the "common cesspool" where Orks would congregate not only to release bodily waste, but to talk and interact socially. Even more interesting, the most ferocious Sqiggs come from this cesspool besides a whole host of drugs, beneficial and otherwise. It was quite an ecosystem.

Orks certainly do have many plant-like features, they reproduce like simple fungi by "budding" and their green color may very well be some sort of chlorophyll derivative.

Even their psycological make-up is quite interesting because they like speed because it directly stimulates their pleasure centers and the same applies for loud noises and the rush of battle. This makes for a successful warrior race. Their only draw-back is the lack of organized research to improve their technology, but to adapt they are consumate "mimick-ers" able to assimilate technology quite well.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:53 am 
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On the E-A playtest boards, we have been discussing Steam Gargantz, the Feral Ork equivalent to either a Gargant, a Stompa, or both of them!

Here are some ideas for Steam Gargant and Feral Ork proxies:

- Pinnacle Games Great Rail Wars Automatons:
- GRW1505 Automatons (3 poses) $14.95 (Six figures)
Instant Stompas or SupaStompas! These are perfect mechanical monstrosities. Add an Orky arm or two and you're in business. I really like these figures!  :p

http://jeffvalentstudios.com/deadlandsgrw.htm
http://home.att.net/~mmdeforrest/deadla ... /minis.htm

-    GRW1533 Steam Turtles $12.95 (5 figures)
These little buggers have perfect Ork style and with a little conversion would probable make great Ork armour: battlewagunz, battlefortesses, Wrecka Trukkz, Ork snax wagunz. etc.. I recommend using them as Battlefortresses after modifying them a little bit. To see the photo of them, go to the URL I typed and scroll down the new releases until you the Steam Turtles. They're not in the regular catalogue yet.

http://www.jeffvalentstudios.com/

- GRW1261 Battle Suit $19.95
This is one giant robot and is probably about 6 inches or more in height (I didn't measure it). The design is based on an actual proposition for the USMC around the turn of the last century. The steampunk style definitely lends itself to Orky engineering, but I don't know what I would class this monster as... maybe a Mega Gargant? Or a Steam Gargant?

http://jeffvalentstudios.com/deadlandsgrw.htm

- SJG Games - GURPS Minis - Steampunk:
http://www.sjgames.com/miniatures/gurps/

- Armorcast Steam Bots:
http://www.armorcast.com/terraform/SteamBots.html

Armorcast also has a pack of close combat weapons for their steam bots that look particularly Orky.

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Here are some other Deadlands galleries:

- http://greywolf.critter.net/gallery/dea ... allery.htm

- http://home.att.net/~mmdeforrest/deadlands/main.htm

-  http://www.apptechnc.net/~techromancer/rwarrior.htm

And the Deadlands web ring:

- http://q.webring.com/hub?sid=&ring=dead ... g&id=&list

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Neat stuff! ?

But as tempting as a Steam Gargant is for the artist-driven G/W & F/W, I wouldn't be surprised if we see them produce one or two... :;):

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Hi!

Those proxies look great, Maksim! With some minor conversion work, I think that they would definitely capture that "Orky" feel for weird steam-driven machines.

Do you have any rules for Steam Gargantz, or are you using the Epic-A ones for Steam Gargants?

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Primarch,

Do you have any rules for Steam Gargantz, or are you using the Epic-A ones for Steam Gargants?


I am using the E-A rules although at Conquest, we will be playing Epic-40k.  :;):

In "real life", I have been mostly playing the E-A Playtest rules, but wuld like to play a little NetEpic. :)  

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Hi!

Tell you what, you come up with a good proxy conversions and I'll make some NetEpic rules for it.

It's been a while since I wrote some rules.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:52 pm 
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I posted an updated list in .doc format to the EpicA Yahoo group. ?PG is going to pdf it and post it to the epic_lists group also.

I split the termies into rubric and chosen, added some background and explanatory notes, and generally cleaned it up (proof, edit, etc.).

I am still open to input if anyone has anything they want to comment on. ?And, of course, I'd love to hear any playtest results.


I almost forgot... color scheme for the Storm Lords Titan Legion was initially blue and purple, with white and black checks for accent.  The blue was a medium/royal blue and the purple was very light, almost lavender.

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Have you got any pics of a Storm Lords Titan?  maybe from an old AT or something?  Sounds good!

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This picture: Storm Lords might prove to be of interest...  ???

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Indeed- many thanks!

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