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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers?  Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:26 pm |
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Periodic,
Does "indentured" mean conscripted from a non-combat occupation, or does the indentured mean that they've essentially been destined to be soldiers from birth? |
I think I copied and pasted the colour background in an earlier post in this thread, Periodic. Check it out.
Essentially, getting out in the Imperial IG levies is one of the only ways a Jopalli can get a future. I would think that they are relatively motivated and are definitely survivors. I keep getting images of the resistence fighters in the Jewish Ghetto in Poland before the fall.
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Are the Jopalli's those guys with the hideous teal uniforms from the Armageddon site? |
I don't know if teal is the color I'd choose. It's more of a boggy mint color with light white speckles over it. It reminds me of a green and white version of the W.W.II German ambush pattern camouflage. they have black boots, silver and gunmetal weapons, and dull white helmets and accessories.
They come from a hopeless hive world so I don't expect them to have any fashion sense. I compare them to inner city rap artists. Effective, but... ugly!
The colour background has them getting along well with hive gangs and citizen PDF forces. They're wheelers and dealers!
If so, with camo (and fashion sense) like that, they have plenty of reason to have low morale.
I think that they're more about shooting back than caring about what they're wearing...
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:41 pm |
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Hi!
How about a drab brown or grey?
It's pretty low key and those would blend in with the rotten woods and broken buildings of the slums.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 2:15 am |
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Primarch,
How about a drab brown or grey?
It's pretty low key and those would blend in with the rotten woods and broken buildings of the slums. |
They already have an illustration of the Jopallis on the GW Armageddon web site.
They wear the green and white marsh ambush pattern.
I thought about posting the image here, but it's GW and I don't want their IP people to track us down and slay the site.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:19 am |
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| Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 04 2003 Aug.,18:15) | | I thought about posting the image here, but it's GW and I don't want their IP people to track us down and slay the site. |
You could post the URL though 
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:39 am |
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Bottom Line, in my mind, tactical colors is the way to go ... as Primarch suggested. But you all have heard my feelings about Disneyland colors for military units ! 
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:48 am |
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Oh, very cool fluff, especially the little anecdote about the basilisk.
The Jopalli's seem to be very much about practicality, so I could imagine them wearing just about anything as long as it lets them blend in better. They seem very mercenary, so I could see them, for example, buying or scavenging equipment and uniforms to better blend in. In fact, the fluff specifically mentions them infiltrating militia forces, so I can imagine certain regiments would purchase and wear local HiveWear?. I agree with Primarch, drab browns and grey.
As for morale, they seem to have as much reason to fight as any other, and certainly a lot of combat experience.
As an aside, I think one thing to consider about the whole morale issue is that there is an upper limit: troops who will fight to the death. And while I'd generally bet on the well-trained troops, religious fanatics and those with immense personal stake can reach that threshold without brainwashing ala space marines.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 5:15 am |
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"Brainwashing", obviously, will effect motivation.
However, "brainwashed" troops, Japanese Banzai and Kamikazis, moslem fanatics, etc., in the big picture may achieve a tactical victory but in long run contribute to strategic failure.
However, history is full of examples on both ends of the spectrum. But in a Sci-fi wargame it presents an interesting scenario...
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MaksimSmelchak
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:29 pm |
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Has anyone else built PDF or Hive Gangers infantry?
I have three companies of Jopallis built now and hope to get their support weapons built next.
Shalom,
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:20 pm |
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The Fanatic site has posted a pic of the Warhound painted, and even if I painted it in colors that I like, I still think the model blows. So disappointing. Hell, I LOVE the new Eldar Phantom compared to this model.
You know, each Epic system has had it's own styles because of the different sculpters, and I think it was Tim Adock?? or whomever that did most of the Epic40k minis and I don't think the Specialist range will top them in terms of quality and variance. I mean, you could make many Leman Russ variants and now those days are gone. Yes I know Jervis is doing the best he can with what he's got, but this Warhound sucks. I am not crazy about the Drop ship either although I like the concept. The only thing I am sold on right now is the new Land Raider, but we knew what we were getting. It is such a shame GW is putting their best sculpters behind Epic because I think we'd be getting much better stuff.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:50 pm |
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| Quote (Gandalf the Grey @ 27 2003 Oct.,21:20) | | It is such a shame GW is putting their best sculpters behind Epic because I think we'd be getting much better stuff. |
This quote just doesn't make sense....do you mean "...GW isn't..."? As that would make much more sense.
You bring up a good point about varience with the Epic 40k range, but I believe Jervis is (was) having them re-tooled, at least with the IG stuff, so I think _some_ of the varience will still be there.
Plus, I'm not sure this is the correct place to rant and rave about how bad the new models are. You don't have to buy them! You can get older models.
I know we promote free speech on the forum, but I think a line must be drawn somewhere.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:13 pm |
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Hi!
This model was bashed good enough on another thread with you should search to see the gamut of impressions.
Granted its not the prettiest thing they have done, hopefully some "retouching" will be dne on it.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:28 pm |
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| Quote (Chris @ 27 2003 Oct.,21:50) | | You bring up a good point about varience with the Epic 40k range, but I believe Jervis is (was) having them re-tooled, at least with the IG stuff, so I think _some_ of the varience will still be there. |
The new IG miniatures will come with main chassis attached to tracks. The Vanquisher I painted for fanatic was cast like this. Seems a bit strange to me since they've literally made a mould of the 3 parts put together, but it does save some hassle.
I would hope that they will have a number of options available for each of the chassis types, but I dont know anything on this for certain either way.
Primarch:
I'm afraid for those who are not keen, this IS the final model.
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The old models will still be available for the warhound. It does look better in real life, its not a particularly flattering angle. Hopefully I will get clearance to post my own images soon & you can get a better view. Certainly not a favourite of mine, but so far I do personally think its getting more bad press than it really deserves. You're welcome to your opinions though  _________________ Cheers, Paul "TuffSkull" T. http://hobbybrush.com - My New Website, with thousands of painted Mini Pics :) http://hobbybrush.blogspot.com - My Hobby Blog TuffSkull's notepad- My Old Blog on Wargames Wiki.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:18 am |
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| Quote (Chris @ 27 2003 Oct.,21:50) | [/quote]
[quote="Gandalf the Grey,27 2003 Oct.,21:20"]It is such a shame GW is putting their best sculpters behind Epic because I think we'd be getting much better stuff. |
This quote just doesn't make sense....do you mean "...GW isn't..."? As that would make much more sense. |
My bad. I don't proof read. I am an idiot. Sorry.
Plus, I'm not sure this is the correct place to rant and rave about how bad the new models are. You don't have to buy them! You can get older models.
I know we promote free speech on the forum, but I think a line must be drawn somewhere. |
Where? I'm sorry Chris, if I said I liked it, would you have approved my post? Maybe I'll run everything through you first before I post it, just to make sure you don't think it is a rant or something you might disagree with. ?I know we all like Epic, but I'll be damned if I am going to rubber stamp everything Fanatic releases just because it has Jervis's stamp of approval. ?I think the Warhound sucks and that is that. ?If you like it, you can buy it! I am still going to think that I wouldn't be interested if someone gave it to me for free.
I can't keep track of who said what in what thread because they start out with a theme, but evolve into something completely different. ?If you are reading this post, and feel it has already been covered already, I apologize. ?If you really like the Warhound, and are irritated that I have insulted it, I am sorry. Actually I am not going to apologize for my opinion, I am being sarcastic.
Maybe I have grown out of this s*h*i*t or whatever, but this reminds me how much gamers seem to have their heads up Jervis's ass to a point that if you are the slightest bit critical of what he does you are a bad guy, or he's our savior because he has given us the Ork Landa! Thank God! ?Please, give me a break. ?I actually thought that posting here was more diplomatic than saying it sucked on the Epic Playtesting forum, but I guess it doesn't make a difference where I post.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:41 am |
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Okay, everyone relax and breath deeply. 
This model has been released for EpicA, and this is the EpicA forum. I dont see a problem with criticising it here, so will leave the thread here. Just like if someone were to praise the new Valkyrie (yum) I'd leave it here.
And as for the topic beng covered, that maybe true. But, like Gandalf, I dont get to see every post. Where the Warhound was critiscised was on a thread of another topic, so its not unusual for him to have not seen it. Many posts do start on one subject, and end up being one liners from star trek.  I too stop reading threads after a few pages, often because there's not much more of relevance there.
It would be far easier just to point him in the direction of other peoples comments. We are fortunant now to have a site large enough where a lot is going on, and people with a lack of time may miss things like this.
Anyway, I would have personally loved to see the warhound looking like the 40K version that's recently released. That is a lovely model. I will, however, reserve judgement until I see it in the flesh.
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