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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 7:47 pm 
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For all their faults (mostly over the shockingly awful photos on their website!) Irregular do a huge range of 6mm some of which would fit in perfectly with epic chaos, including a fantasy airboat for the undead that looks shockgly like a chaos doomwing. I fully intend to purchase a couple for the misses for her 1k sons, once she stops blowing our money on stupid things like holidays and food and petrol.... They are stupidly cheap as well. so even if they are awful, for the pittance they are You could probably reclaim the cost on ebay (PRO PAINTED KAOS SPASS MAREEN OOP GOLDEN DEAMON WINNAR L@@K UBER PRO PAINT OOP!)

Chaos has to be one of the easiest things to proxie (especially nurgle!)

Mageboltrat's thread should be proof enough to anyone that ever tried to claim that 6mm cant look better then 28mm!

Yeah its going to be harder to convert 40k Gamers to epic, but with all the new juicey shineys cropping up in the last two weeks (onslaught, E&C, Microworld..) it should be easy to convert NEW gamers to the scene. ;D

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Whole lot of stuff disappeared today(UK)
Eldar warhost, DA+FD, Vampire, hydras, ork warband, gargant, dreads+kans, squiggoths, rhinos, bikes - so confirms everything including the plastics is going

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Yes, this is the precise problem CS. I've grown up with my Eldar and Chaos armies in 6mm. Heck, I've played Epic in some form or another since 1993. For all GW's faults, I like their Space Marine era Epic designs, and the current plastic infantry for Eldar and Chaos. This cannot be recreated, and I don't see how anyone can even capture the spirit of it with any design.


Honestly, for the 'purist' who has to see a 40K Eldar Falcon in 6mm, this means the end of the production of 6mm Eldar Falcons, just like McDonalds stopping the Big Mac. Other companies may produce something similar, but if you love the 'special secret sauce', you are out of luck.

There are only three options left to you:
- the good; expanding your taste, justifying it with background and finding a 'best fit' in your own mind from other proxy ranges available
- the bad; buying on the second hand market
- the ugly; (illegally) recasting

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Steve54 wrote:
Whole lot of stuff disappeared today(UK)
Eldar warhost, DA+FD, Vampire, hydras, ork warband, gargant, dreads+kans, squiggoths, rhinos, bikes - so confirms everything including the plastics is going


my theory is that it will all be gone by the end of May, they started this right at the beginning of the month, I reckon they're going to offload what they can, and anything left over will be in the skip in a couple of weeks time.... think about it, keeping stock means bookkeeping and more orders and less shelf space for SPAYSE MAHREENS, do a fire sale, get the panic orders in to clear as much stock as humanly possible, then anything left, not worth keeping, just like sale threads here.... anything that doesn't sell eventually goes on ebay.....

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Steve54 wrote:
Whole lot of stuff disappeared today(UK)
Eldar warhost, DA+FD, Vampire, hydras, ork warband, gargant, dreads+kans, squiggoths, rhinos, bikes - so confirms everything including the plastics is going


Yep, same on the german site. I could make an order of the warhost/chaos horde two days ago. But when it was shipped today, they took out the warhost and only sent the chaos horde. :{[]


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Steve54 wrote:
Whole lot of stuff disappeared today(UK)
Eldar warhost, DA+FD, Vampire, hydras, ork warband, gargant, dreads+kans, squiggoths, rhinos, bikes - so confirms everything including the plastics is going


Yep, same on the german site. I could make an order of the warhost/chaos horde two days ago. But when it was shipped today, they took out the warhost and only sent the chaos horde. :{[]


Really annoying me that GW seem to have been taking money for things they either did not have, or did not intend to ship.

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Yeah, I had that with a warmaster order - and customer services has either been engaged or "number not recognised" all day and yesterday evening. It's like their squat got busted or something...


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 10:25 pm 
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All that chaos has lost is the infantry, other than that its the same situation as pre the plastic chaos box (2009?)


That's a good point. I continually forget that GW didn't actually produce anything else for Chaos any more. That's what comes from never visiting the specialist games section of GW's website.

Still, a pretty major blunder on my part there, thanks for the correction.

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Sorry I should have clarified my meaning better. There's very little that can be IP protected in the GW Daemon Engines and Chaos Daemons. They all draw heavily on existing archetypes from art and legend. So much so that a 3rd party designer could easily fill the gaps. For instance, take a Bloodthirster of Khorne: Big classic winged demon from classic European religious art. Easily something that a convincing model proxy could be created. I can't call it a Bloodthirster but I can call it a hellspawn demon. Hell, the chaos symbol itself isn't even owned by GW. The Slannesh symbol is actually taken from real ocult symbols. Just saying that demonic things are pretty safe in comparison to something like Eldar and Marines of both alignments.

I also have to point out that all the items you mentioned have been OOP for ages so I find that rather amusing. Nothing's changed for them.


I'm not especially concerned about the Daemons, as their appearance is pretty flexible by GW's own background in any case, I'm more concerned about the vehicles, and war engines, as I alluded to earlier. Of course, it was a mistake to think that they were still made :D.

What I am concerned about though is that the available models which are still circulating around places like e-bay will disappear even more quickly, or start going for silly money. Still, it was always bound to happen anyway, regardless of this action by GW.

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Honestly, for the 'purist' who has to see a 40K Eldar Falcon in 6mm, this means the end of the production of 6mm Eldar Falcons, just like McDonalds stopping the Big Mac. Other companies may produce something similar, but if you love the 'special secret sauce', you are out of luck.

There are only three options left to you:
- the good; expanding your taste, justifying it with background and finding a 'best fit' in your own mind from other proxy ranges available
- the bad; buying on the second hand market
- the ugly; (illegally) recasting


I'm lucky, in that I don't really need anything to play (Space Marine and Net Epic), so my concern is only for new players, or players with large gaps in their collection. A few gaps would be useful to fill to enable me to play EA, but if I find myself unable to fill the gaps for whatever reason, it's not a major issue for me.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 7:36 am 
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Really annoying me that GW seem to have been taking money for things they either did not have, or did not intend to ship.


Yep, that happened to me three or four times in the last two weeks. >:( They sent the refund shortly after the shipping confirmation.

Btw. finally the FW Warhounds are out of stock, and there was a single Tiger Shark AX-1-0 available this morning.


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Steve54 wrote:
Whole lot of stuff disappeared today(UK)
Eldar warhost, DA+FD, Vampire, hydras, ork warband, gargant, dreads+kans, squiggoths, rhinos, bikes - so confirms everything including the plastics is going


Damn it all to hell, I knew I should've ordered the full 4 warhosts, instead i thought 'the plastics will be about for a while', idiot. :{[]


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 3:08 pm 
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manta just went out of stock …

going to be fun when people assorted FW bits delivered, find half of them miscasts, and then not be able to get replacements ;D


Happened to me. Today parcels 5/8 arrived. One Thunderhawk heavy bolter was missing and one TH fuselage miscast. And in one order I got one blister of Valkyries instead of Vultures. Called FW and they will try to replace the missing/miscast parts. But they can't send me another Blister of Vultures for the Valkyries.


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Call your cc company. They'll back you for a refund as they demonstrably failed to fulfill your order.

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he has it right, under the Sale of Goods Act and Distance Selling Act all items must be of sound quality, complete and as described.
you can legally as for a replacement (not happening) or refund and they have to oblige, even of they don't want it back ;) ( you never know, they may let you keep it as well) also they cannot refuse it on the grounds of a selling off sale, as they never announced it publicly.

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