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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:13 pm 
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GW should invent a shrink'n'waxe-ray so people could use their Baneblades for Wh40k AND Epic ;:D

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:06 am 
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Well as always ... we'll just wait and see ... But DRM & E/W will be releasing cool 6mm Sci-fi regardless ! I know some boyz only want G/W-S/G, but there is always Bartertown, eBay, etc. ...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:33 am 
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Hi!

I am of the increasing opinion that for any so called "specialist game" to receive true support will have to be by a third party. Not GW or any subsection.

Given that GW either doesn't want to license out their IP or if they do they place draconian restrictions which make it not worthwhile to do.

So, quite frankly, unless GW gets bought up by another company (whole or piecemeal) we will NEVER realistically see any meaningful support.

I have come to believe that corporate mindsets and niche hobbies do not go together. Profit is good, but when it becomes the sole guideline to do anything meaningful with the games you get a continuous downward spiral, which is where I think GW is at now.

I don't think they have what it takes to "turn around" their current situation. They may "stabilize" the patient, but not improve it enough to get it out or the ICU, much less the hospital.

It may sound harsh, but I hope they do bad enough to get in enough trouble, so as to get bought out by another (sort of like TSR getting bought up by WOTC, then Hasbro). Quite frankly, I think ANYBODY is better than the current GW management way of doing things.

Funnily enough I am becoming VERY optimistic about an epic resurgance, but with no GW in the picture.

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Wow, a tit bit of information from JJ has caused so much scepticism from the forum. I guess that is all that they can expect from the comunity given the past history. However given that we have all seen and suffered this before and many of us have been playing this system since Adeptus Titanicus days, should we not be used to it?

Secondly as the veterans that we are in Epic gaming, should we not be portraying a more positive view of SG and GW to the younger and newer members of this comunity to give them the right impression of this gaming system. That the best way for us to get a response is to get people walking into stores saying "how can I buy this Epic stuff, I played with friend the other day and I would like to buy an army". Surely sales on the online store is a better way of gaining attention of a boardroom flunky than pesimistic views read from a forum.

Gents/Ladies, I am not disagreeing with the viewpoint, I simply think that we should harbour it in PM's between each other. That we have an obligation to keep these boards a place of optimism and that we are here to promote the worth of this game and to encourage new players and younger ones to continue the support of Epic.

We are the custodians of this game and we should be protraying a brighter picture of it to the wider comunity.

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Good points, CAL. Good approach, "hearts & minds" sort of thing ... I just don't know if we can "pulled it off" ... ?And I guess my predilection for the new DRM and E/W releases, affects my tone on the boards. :confuse:




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Gents/Ladies, I am not disagreeing with the viewpoint, I simply think that we should harbour it in PM's between each other. That we have an obligation to keep these boards a place of optimism and that we are here to promote the worth of this game and to encourage new players and younger ones to continue the support of Epic.

If you think that this is bad, you should see the level of the emails being thrown around!  :D

I have long resigned myself to the fact that SG games in general, and Epic as an example, will simply never produce the right sales figures or potential or whatever is desired. That is simply a fact. I dont think that sales are the full story.

You are correct in some ways. We should be more upbeat about the game - we all do love it and care about it, after all. However, even new players should be aware of the situation that they are getting into. I would rather less players went into the game with their eyes open, than more players spnding money and then regretting their decision and bad-mouthing their experience.

The problem is that nothing changes. Announcements come and go, plans are made, and the games drops further off the radar.

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Hi Aaron-CAL,

Primarch is allowed to be  a grumpy, pessimstic old bugger.

That will never change.

I've tried to trumpet the optimism messgae, but, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

In the mean time, buy lots of 6mm sci-fi and enjoy life!

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I can see Cal001's point, but I'm not really comfortable with being GW's Ministry of Truth (Epic DoublePlusGood!!!) for all the potential new players out there when GW can't be arsed acknowledging the game exists.

And I suspect many or most of us are a bit long in the tooth to get too enthused about much....

However the main message should be "the game is great, you can try the whole thing without spending a penny, the community still supports it".  Anything more positive than that is pushing on the dishonest isn't it?


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I am not saying lets sing their praise, my message is simple, a little less critical/synical in our views and give the newcomers a chance to make their own minds up. And the message is clear to all, it is a fantastic game, it is worth every hour I have spent painting, every dollar I have spent collecting, and continue to spend, and every minute I have enjoyed playing games and making new friends in the process.

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Hi!

As Maksim put it, I'm a grumpy, pessimistic old bugger.... :;):

Without getting to preachy, I made GW a lot of money over the years. As most know I was a games retailer in the the long gone "good 'ol days". I tooted the GW horn and followed the "party line" and sold, sold, sold games to many people and I gained converts to epic with a zealots zeal.

Simply put, I paid my dues, with interest on getting people into the "GW hobby" as well as putting money in their pockets.

NO MORE.

Please CAL don't construe any of this aimed to you directly, I understand the point you bring to bear, its has interestingly been brought to me many times over the years, on public forums and off. I fully understand where you're coming from.

It's been more than a decade since I have ceased to care about GW or if anyone new or otherwise has a positive perception about epic.

Nowadays I don't even spend time trying to convert anyone to netepic (or any version for that matter), let alone any GW game. If someone asks me a question about epic, I'll answer. But in the same hand I will prattle off GW's uncaring attitude and support towards epic. One must take the good with the bad. If that turns people away, so be it. I am no longer vested in getting GW any more customers. They dug their own grave there.

Epic is a great, wonderful game, GW however stinks and I await the day where people other than those currently directing it are replaced with people who are better businessmen and know how to cater to their customer base.

I guess I'm just a crusty 'ol "bitterboy"... :;):

But I speak from the heart nonetheless.

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Secondly as the veterans that we are in Epic gaming, should we not be portraying a more positive view of SG and GW to the younger and newer members of this comunity to give them the right impression of this gaming system.

Why? So they can get kicked in the teeth like we did?

We can promote the game without having to promote GW.

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Gents I am not miscontrewing the point you are all making, I just think portraying a positive attitude is better for us all than the negative. We have all seen it before and lived through the highs and lows of Epics history. I hate the gfact that we are not supported, I despise the lack of new models and that the fact that Epic is alive today is due to the hard work of this community to keep it afloat. I personnaly like GW/FW minis and continue to buy direct from them. And if someone asks me where I got my army I will recomend GW/FW minis to them, as I beleive that the only way the board will ever look at us is if sales tell them to.

Just my view guys, I like a positive spin on things, however I fully understand where you all are coming from.

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True, better half full than half empty . But I can say that, since I have about 95% of everything G/W ever made for Epic and starting to do the same with DRM & E/W ! ?:D




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