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Legion 4	Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:22 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	Good point, I was referring to "real" history not fluff ... sometimes at my age I get reality and fantasy confused ... ? However, I could see SoB attached to SMs or IG for certain missions, just as I can see the same for the =][= and G/Knights. ? SoB and G/Knight Forces would probably be no bigger than a Company. ?And could easily be attached to other Imperial Forces. ?But bottomline is ... it's all up to G/W to produce a list ... ? _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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Mojarn Piett	Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:01 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 7:35 am Posts: 5455 Location: Finland	From the comments received, I think I would make "Inquisition" as the base list in this case and determine some basic troops on that basis. Then I'd make three variations of the list based on the ordos (Xenos, Malleus and Hereticus), each with a specialized unit or two. Example: all Inquisitors would have access to Stormtroopers. Ordo Malleus would have Grey Knights, Ordo Xenos would have Deathwatch while Ordo Hereticus could well have the SoB unless an Ecclesiarchy list is foreseen, in which case the Hereticus needs their own Chamber Militant. That way the inquisition list would have the stormtroopers at its core and be essentially a fast-moving maneuverable force but lacking the really heavy stuff. The problem is, I don't think Inquisition ever fights battles the scale of an Epic game. That's more in line with Ecclesiarchy and their Wars of faith. Inquisitors usually work behind the lines of a big battle pursuing their own special agenda linked to the bigger battle in some way. _________________ I don't know and I let who care. -J.S.
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the_fifth_horseman

Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:39 am

Brood Brother Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:35 pm Posts: 1259

Well, each of the three Ordos would certainly have its own list. Ordo Malleus: =I=, =I= Stormtroopers and Grey Knights Ordo Hereticus: =I= and Sisters of Battle Ordo Xenos: =I= and Deathwatch, maybe? Each of the Ordos can take Imperial Guard and Space Marine allies, but no more then, say, 10% of the total army points limit. So the Sisters of Battle would be a different release to Grey Knights. Oh, and Warmaster Nice, you can take a look on my Sisters of Battle proxies on groups.yahoo.com/group/epica to have some idea on the...   epic scale bumpers. Not sure of the historical precedent (which bit of fluff are you referring to?) but the Adeptus Sororitas is overseen by the Adeptus Ministorum which might not want to work hand in hand with the Inquisition :-) Pixelgeek, thou are therefore strongly advised to read all the relevant fluff again. Sisters of Battle are Adepta Sororitas, the Adeptus Ministorum have some command over them, but the most recent background shows that Sisters are part of the Ordo Hereticus. _________________ The Fifth Horseman. Quality over quantity. Realm of the Horseman ? ?The mirror site.

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Warmaster Nice	Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:06 am
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:15 pm Posts: 7948 Location: Denmark	Reading the background from codex Armageddon (and E:A too for that matter) the Ordo Xenos only had a couple of Kill Teams present in the entire Armageddon Sector during the Battle for Armageddon. I think this would be a pretty good indicator that they don't fight Epic sized battles alone. I must say that I'm with L4 on this: A small attattchment to an existing Imperial force is  probably the best way to go. I do still like the suggestion of making Inquisitorial Storm troopers, Rhinos etc. a part of the support choice for such a formation. Cheers! _________________ Sofa General Nobody expects the Inquisition!!! http://theepiclounge.wordpress.com/
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pixelgeek	Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:42 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 8:10 pm Posts: 2642 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	Quote (the_fifth_horseman @ 09 2004 Jan.,01:39) Pixelgeek, thou are therefore strongly advised to read all the relevant fluff again. Sisters of Battle are Adepta Sororitas, the Adeptus Ministorum have some command over them, but the most recent background shows that Sisters are part of the Ordo Hereticus. Just read the SoB codex this week and the Codex Imperialis and can't see a reference to it. Where are you seeing this? _________________ Guns don't break formations. Blast Markers break formations.
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Legion 4	Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:38 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	This whole discussion looks like an Imperial "Turf War" thing, who controls what, who out ranks who, etc., etc. ... ? Again, I'm going to wait and see what G/W finally comes up with. The G/W fluff, as usual, is capricious and confusing as ever. And who knows if they will even make any new figures or models... or just do some more rules. So I say, to Hell with it and I'm glad I voted for a new "real" Army, (although still in it's infancy !) The Necrons!!! (laughs sinisterly) AHAHAHAhahaha aaaaa! _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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primarch	Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:20 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! Or just use the GW fluff as a basic outline and design your own stuff..... Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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Warmaster Nice

Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:37 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:15 pm Posts: 7948 Location: Denmark

Or just use the GW fluff as a basic outline and design your own stuff..... Hear Hear! The fluff should just be the starting point.  One of the things I really loved about the early fluff (AT, Realms of Chaos etc.) was the sense of the universe as a vast unexplored place where almost everything was possible. Today everything seems to be much less flexible (sorry, I'm a bit short of words here) "a space marine with a lasgun! Are you NUTS!!!" If it's not specifically written somewhere ( and hasn't been outdated by newer fluff) it can't be done. ...og my god! I'm starting to sound like an old man here! "aaah, I remember back then... those were the times" Cheers! _________________ Sofa General Nobody expects the Inquisition!!! http://theepiclounge.wordpress.com/

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pixelgeek	Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:50 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 8:10 pm Posts: 2642 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	Quote (Warmaster Nice @ 09 2004 Jan.,13:37) Hear Hear! The fluff should just be the starting point. Well easier said than done when you're writing for the official game :-) _________________ Guns don't break formations. Blast Markers break formations.
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nealhunt	Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:49 pm
Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA	Quote (Legion 4 @ 09 2004 Jan.,16:38) This whole discussion looks like an Imperial "Turf War" thing, who controls what, who out ranks who, etc., etc. ... ? Again, I'm going to wait and see what G/W finally comes up with. The G/W fluff, as usual, is capricious and confusing as ever. Sort of like real life "turf wars." _________________ Neal
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primarch	Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:42 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! Well easier said than done when you're writing for the official game :-) In my expereince, "official" is whatever the gaming group you belong to decides.... Then again I haven't played a game "as is" since the 80's.... Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules

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netepic

Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:36 am

Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 4:26 pm Posts: 7016 Location: Southfields, London, England

Quote (primarch @ 09 2004 Jan.,23:42) Hi! Well easier said than done when you're writing for the official game :-) In my expereince, "official" is whatever the gaming group you belong to decides.... Then again I haven't played a game "as is" since the 80's.... Primarch Agreed! _________________ Tom Webb Author Page: http://www.newtonwebb.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/thewebb Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/thenewtonwebb Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/thenewtonwebb

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Legion 4	Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:30 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	That's exactly what I was thinking when I wrote that Neal !  CIA, FBI, DIA, NRO, NSA, etc., etc. ? Ordo this, Ordo that, etc., etc. ... _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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the_fifth_horseman

Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:12 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:35 pm Posts: 1259

Just read the SoB codex this week and the Codex Imperialis and can't see a reference to it. Where are you seeing this? Not in these two for sure. I have said: most recent fluff. Do you know what is the name of Codex in which SoB will be released for 40k? Codex: Ordo Hereticus. The Sisters are joining into the ranks of the =I=, and do you remember the Citadel Journal "Ordo Hereticus Strike Force"? _________________ The Fifth Horseman. Quality over quantity. Realm of the Horseman ? ?The mirror site.

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CyberShadow	Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:21 pm
Swarm Tyrant Joined: Thu Jan 02, 2003 6:22 pm Posts: 9348 Location: Singapore	Quote (the_fifth_horseman @ 10 2004 Jan.,12:12) Do you know what is the name of Codex in which SoB will be released for 40k? Codex: Ordo Hereticus. The Sisters are joining into the ranks of the =I=, and do you remember the Citadel Journal "Ordo Hereticus Strike Force"? I am really looking forward to this as it is being thrown around as the best chance that the Genestealer Cult has of making it into the 40K for real! _________________ https://www.cybershadow.ninja - A brief look into my twisted world, including wargames and beyond. https://www.net-armageddon.org - The official NetEA (Epic Armageddon) site and resource.
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