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Proxies for Epic miniatures.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:53 pm 
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I share your point of view, Warmaster Nice.

Maybe PG is jealous that I'm doing a Blood Angels list that might be a viable alternative to his one?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:59 pm 
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Quote (the_fifth_horseman @ 07 2004 Jan.,15:53)
I share your point of view, Warmaster Nice.

As do I, it was well put. But please - lets be nice here :D.... go to your happy place people (for me that would probably be the pub)!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:56 pm 
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Quote (the_fifth_horseman @ 07 2004 Jan.,07:53)
Maybe PG is jealous that I'm doing a Blood Angels list that might be a viable alternative to his one?

Always interested in comments on my BA army list.

There is already a rather long topic about it on the Epic Forum

http://forums.specialist-games.com/epic40k....C_ID=34

and I'd be more than happy to read any comments that you have about it. There have already been some very good responses and I've got some good ideas adn fixes to the list already so if you have some comments please do post them.

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Quote (Warmaster Nice @ 07 2004 Jan.,05:13)
However I still feel rather strongly that Neal and PGs comments were unnescesarily rude.

Perhaps you are reading some intent into what I've posted here but I'm really just stating an opinion.  Not trying to be rude nor do I really think that what I (or Neal for that matter) have posted is untoward or meant in any way other than to extend an opinion.

YMMV of course but I really do think you are reading too much ill-will into these posts.

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Hi!

Now, now boys. While not my specific forum to moderate, I'll save everyone some grief and ask everyone to calm down.

I will say I found it odd that some strong comments about TFH's lists were made, since all I asked were there any Necron lists and the URL to them.

The arguments of less detail or more detail are the same age old ones that were the crux of the "epic 40k versus Space marine" flame wars of old (I should know, I was in a few of them... :;): ) and have no right or wrong answer. Its a matter of taste, thats all. No need to get angry over this point. Some like less, other more detail, special rules, etc. in their rules. After almost 15 years dealing with epic in all its forms I have learned that one group will NOT convince the other to its view. So lets be more friendly on this point and leave it at that.

I'm using said lists merely because I dont know enough about necron's to make a list for net epic and such lists for Epic A (fan based or not) will help me know what makes up a Necron army.

The rules, mechanics and all the rest will or course be made up be the net epic list and myself as usual.

While we all disagree what the "best" rules are we all do love playing epic.

Let us remember what we have in common.  :)

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My apologies if my posts sounded aggressive. As I stated (a couple times), it was not my intention to start any sort of conflict. I simply dislike TFH's lists and stated my reasons.  I know from his writing in other venues that he recognizes not everyone will like his lists.  Apparently, however, I was too blunt and it came across as rude.

TFH: ?Perhaps I could have phrased my criticism better. When I said "all fluff," I meant that I felt the rules were too background-oriented, not that the lists consisted primarily of background text. In answer to your question, the other UM rule was something about deployment. I don't remember the name off hand.

Also, you may very well have removed the change in WE prices. There are two IA lists out there on the Yahoo groups and they differ considerably.

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Perhaps you are reading some intent into what I've posted here but I'm really just stating an opinion.  Not trying to be rude nor do I really think that what I (or Neal for that matter) have posted is untoward or meant in any way other than to extend an opinion.


I don't believe anybody had any ill intentions with their posts. Of course everybody is entitled to express their opinion but one should allways try to be as considerate as possible when commenting somebody elses work. It is all to easy to come across much more harsh than originally intended.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:10 pm 
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Gentlemen,

There has definitely been some animated language here, but everything seems to be in hand so, We "moderator sorts," will let everything go for the moment. If things get a little more heated, I'll (or we'll - chatting with the other moderators at the moment) close down the thread for a week or so and reopen it after things have cooled down. So far, so good... :)

Best regards to all and Shalom,
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The "Best" rules are the ones you and your crew agree to use to play Epic or any other game ... and I've been "Epicing" since '90 !   :;):

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Hi!

Its all good, even when we disagree, conversations on these boards are pretty tame.

On with your regularly scheduled entertainment.

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Can I ask that any individual antagonisms that arose on "other" boards be kept away from this one? ?You know of whom I speak....

A moment spent re-reading your post before hitting the Send button will ensure that your post reflects what you actually were trying to convey....

...it can also keep the spelling marshal off your back! :;):





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...and to bring this thread back on Topic...

I voted for Daemonhunters.

They can have some really nice kit in the 40K Codex (and ForgeWorld stuff) such as Thunderhawks, Valkyries, etc... however as an Inquisitor could in theory access any IG or SM kit they could have BaneBlades and other tanks as well.

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@Jimbo - So did I! Plus because it will only require a couple of models it shouldn't take too long to do and could be slotted into the release schedule.

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I agree that Daemonhunters would be really cool. However isn't there a danger that an inquisitor drawing his forces from both SM and IG could be used for "cherry picking" as described in another thread?
The way that could be countered would be to restrict the Inquisitor to only be allowed to pick from one army list. Then the Inquisitor would only really be an additional formation to add to one of the existing armies. (nice as the Daemonhunters could then easily be published as a Fanatic Mag article - kindda like the Speed Freeks)

The Grey Knights are slightly more complicated. As they are allowed to use most units from the SM list there should still be a limitation to the number of Grey Knight Squads to be used with an IG army as it would be all to easy to have Grey Knight infantry w lotsa Russes as armoured support (pretty groovy though :cool: ) Grey Knights and ordinary SM would be no problems though.

I don't know about a pure Grey Knight army i Epic... As I recall the greatest deployment of them ever was during the 1st Armageddon when Angron decided to pop by. Even then i don't think that it was more than a single company of Grey Knights. :O  Can't remember exactly... Anyway the way I see Daemonhunters is more like the way they were represented in SM2 - as a single specialized detatchment to go with the rest of the Imperial Army. ...Maybe I'm just too conservative though :;):

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:12 pm 
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Daemonhunters should have there own list - no cherry picking! They should have access to Rhinos, Stormtroopers and Valkries, Grey Knights, Marine infantry but no IG Arty or Tanks and none of the specialised marine stuff.

In a way they are an elite force.

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