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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s)  Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:52 pm |
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Hi!
I just wish armies that were ill-supported the last time around could have been first this time. While its good news for players of those armies to get things pretty soon, those waiting for "later" indeed have a long wait.
Hopefully it will not be another "eternal" wait.
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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 12:42 am |
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The reason for a combined arms team is flexiblility. Sure, if the IG was initially based on the Soviet model, then massed formations of Leman Reuss tanks are appropriate. But, any compentant Epic player is going to slap the snot out of them unless you have some infantry covering for them. While you can do this with separate infantry and armor detachments (and I have done this on occasion), I have been using combined arms forces, i.e. 5 leman reuss, 4 guard stands mounted in chimeras and 3 hvy weapons stands mounted in chimeras. This gives you the speed to manuever close in to the enemy, deploy your covering troops, and pound the poo out of the enemy with leman reuss and hvy squads.
just my 2cents worth.
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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 5:13 am |
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Welcome aboard Teekkari ! Many IG fans here and students of history as well as a few old soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen !  And Iblisdrax, your combined arms team concept is generally correct. However don't forget artillery and CAS too. I've commanded combined arms teams and one of the first things I did was call in FA ! 
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Teekkari
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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:38 am |
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Thanks for the welcome!
Iblisdrax and Legion 4, I totally agree with you - combined arms is the way to go, especially so in competitive games. The formation you described is very similar to ones I mostly used when I had time and opponents to really play Epic 40,000, combined with hefty artillery support of course!
However, I still fancy the idea of separate Companies, if only for the fluff reasons. Maybe I just like neat formations? *grin*
Anyway, we'll see how it works - I've got a game scheduled for Friday - in the planet Fulda Gap I'll lead my World Eaters against 3rd Stygian Shock Regiment commanded by a friend interested in Epic.
It will be a 2000 or 3000 (depending if he wants to try out the Warlord also!) point slugfest with no infantry or artillery for the Guard and rather limited unit choices for the Traitor Marines, just because 80% of my Epic miniatures are still in storage.
Considering the above, and the facts that this will be his fourth game of Epic and my first game in six months, I reckon using word "tactics" in this context might be somewhat of an overstatement...but I can still post a battle report just for the fun of writing it  .
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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:45 am |
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BRING BACK THE SQUATS!!!!
I want to try some Land Trains. Then again, I might just use the list I wrote a while ago.
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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:49 am |
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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 10:52 am |
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I must admit that I have mixed feelings about the release and support schedule of EA. This post makes me feel a little more optimistic, as the format and layout seem to be sound and generally I think a good idea. However, I am more worried about the comment in the recent Incoming questions of:
We're not going to promote the game heavily at all: my plan is simple to get it back in print, get Epic scale miniatures back in production, and then support the Epic hobby in an on-going way by bringing out new models, providing magazine support, and generally doing the same kind of stuff that we do for the other specialist games ranges.
In general, I am unusual in that I dont really mind what order it is all released in (there is always some new army that I want to collect), as long as it is all released properly.
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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 11:16 am |
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| Quote (Teekkari @ 22 2003 Oct.,16:38) | | Anyway, we'll see how it works - I've got a game scheduled for Friday - in the planet Fulda Gap I'll lead my World Eaters against 3rd Stygian Shock Regiment commanded by a friend interested in Epic. |
LOL! Thats fantastic! Ensure your eaters complete REFORGER before they get stuck into it! 
Welcome again to the boards Teekkari, I'm sure you will enjoy the mix of Epic and historical discussion (in addition to just plain crapp ing on) that goes on here.
I agree with your comments re Guard- Soviet style organisation. Even the dogma of having Commissars fits.
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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 1:17 pm |
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Welcome Teekkari... I look forward to seeing a battle report!
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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 1:26 pm |
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Hmmmm. From those two quotes, I have mixed feelings.
On the one hand I'm glad that the release could be happening sooner, as I'm eager to get started with it. If it appears in a WD, then I'll be able to find someone wanting to give it a try (similar to new army syndrome).
However, if it doesn't make enough of an appearance in WD, then the people by me quickly lose interest. If its support goes purely magazine based, then I fear a lot of my opponents will not follow it.
It will mean I would need to get a lot of games in immediatly upon release, to get them hooked. BFG has been waning a little over time, and thats how I see Epic going in my group, if its not regularly spotlighted.
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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 2:14 pm |
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Hi!
I know what you mean CS, I didn't like the inference in that statement you quoted either. To me it says "well, dont expect much from us, we'll do what we can when we can...if it sells...".
That statement is a far cry from the original ones of "bringing out the whole line" and "giving it better support than what was given to epic40k".
To be blunt, it sounds like the usual, well support while its new, but dont expect anything beyond "x" amount of time.
Yes, I know, its my usual "gloominess", but I call them as I see them.... 
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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 2:43 pm |
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For me, the problem here is that the release of Epic is being handled as the release for Gothic or any other game. In reality, it must be done differently. Gothic burst onto the scene as a new game, with simple mechanics, a cool and strong mythos and as something completely different and quite cheap to get into.
Epic MUST counter the bad feeling that has grown up around the previous versions. To a certain extent, this is being done quite well, and I am seeing more and more posts in various places about 'dusting off the old army' and people seem more open to EA than they have been to any other edition of the game.
The Incoming quote sounds like the aim is to make Epic available to the players and those who want it. We need to make people want it. People wont even know about it otherwise and it will sell in the same volumes as before, simply because it will be to the same people as they are the only ones who know about it.
I find myself being drawn over to primarchs way of thinking and outlook more and more, and that is worrying as I dont want to be negative about this game. I like what has been done so far, I think that the rules are the strongest set yet, and I want people to know about them.
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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:48 pm |
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Hi!
All very good points.
I think it is important to state that one thing is the actual game, which is looking to be very good and another thing is the marketing aspect.
One pet peeve of mine (out of many), is what CS points out, this is NOT a NEW game. It is a new version of a pre-existing game. There are many negative views regarding epic due to the bad way it was handled before. IF this is isn't addressed then distrust will continue and potential players will turn a way.
I also point out that regardless of marketing (which is helpful) miniature gaming depends a lot on word of mouth. Every effort should be made so the "vibes" are positive.
As mentioned, people should "want" to play epic, a good solid system is only part of a games success, marketing and good image are other equally important aspects.
Treating it like another "18-month cycle" game is NOT the way to do it. People like to play games they know will be supported in the long run. Many, unfortunately, will remain on the side lines and assume a "wait and see" attitude. Epic cannot afford this again.
Unfortunately its all up to GW, as usual they will make or break their own system.
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Post subject: YOUR Gaming Board(s) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 4:23 pm |
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Commanded a Mech Co. in REFORGER '88 and been to Fulda ! Didn't see any Chaos SMs, though ?!  
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