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Playtest Question
primarch	Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:26 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! PG was posting every day and twice on Sunday. AFAIK, he was the only person who was always posting daily. I believe they asked him to moderate based on his "attendance" to the boards. Thus I think they did not spend a lot of time locating a board moderator. There is another point; the company has not put a lot of money into the board. Despite the fact it is paid for by GW/Fanatic it is a low priority. They do not have any official company person assigned to visit the boards in any regular cycles. Jervis comes when he can but that is it. Contrast this with WotC. Each board has a moderator (read volunteer) who is assigned to daily upkeep, known as WizO?s. Then they have a Real WotC employee who is tasked to oversee the boards on a daily basis. Which goes to the point I always make that if GW is not willing to allocate resources to this game, then its a self defeating purpose. NO GW game can survive unless the big GW marketing machine backs it up. This board should have had a GW moderator from the get go, no excuses. Jervis can't do it alone, regardless of how many "internet" input and help he may receive. To name a moderator on basis of "attendance" is ludricrous and gives that person no real authority to actually accomplish the functions of a moderator. Any moderator needs to first gain the respect and trust of those he wishes to "oversee' before he can really "moderate. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules

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Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:29 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA

Hi! Oh and one other point: If I disagree with Gandalf or some of the others I respect but do not always agree with, I hope I am not seen as just a "Yes-Man" or "Fanboy" but rather a person who has an opinion. I hope I have disagreed enough with both Jervis and the PG core to be seen as someone who can make his own choices. While we can define "fanboy" in a myriad of ways, the simple one is: "A person who cannot see the value of a contrary (dissenting) opinion or the shortcomings of his own opinions." I think that you and everyome else who posts regularly to this forum is excluded. So NO, you're not a fanboy! Primarch. _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules

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dafrca	Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:42 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 6:02 pm Posts: 10956 Location: Burbank, CA, USA	Quote (primarch @ 15 2003 Aug.,11:29) While we can define "fanboy" in a myriad of ways, the simple one is: " a person who cannot see the value in a contrary opinion or the shortcomings of his own opinions". I saw that excludes you and everyboady else who post regularly to this forum. So NO, you're not a fanboy. Primarch Thanks. I have an opinion on what makes a "GW fan boy" and I did not fancy that being applied to me.   dafrca _________________ "Every Man is a But Spark in the Darkness"               - Cities of Death, page 59 Come fight me, if you dare...... http://dd-janks.mybrute.com
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Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:58 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA

Hi! Good to know that I'm a "fanboy/yes-man" because ?I tend to agree with Jervis. Honestly, I think he and I just have similar tastes in how the game runs. I hate to break it to you Neal, but you are not a "fanboy." Firstly, because I like talking with you and exchanging thoughts, even though we are on opposite ends on what we like for Epic. But, in fact, I learn more from such conversation because you can point out things to me in new light about versions I may not fancy. There is a problem with both. As a member, it becomes difficult to separate the "member's" opinion from the "as-moderator" opinion, both for the general population and for the moderator. As an anonymous entity, it can be easy to objectify the moderator. In PG's case, he is abrasive. He knows he is abrasive. We've discussed it before. As a result, when he was asked to moderate, he figured that people would have a hard time differentiating between his "mix-it-up," argumentative style and his job as moderator. He was right.

- Then, to be frank, he should step down. How can you moderate well when you're abrasive? Firm, certainly, abrasive no. That makes it personal and then no one can take his actions seriously becasue they will assume (rightly so) that it IS personal.

- Speaking from someone who has moderated in the very active sense for more than 6 years. You just HAVE to be very self-effacing and have a LOT of patience. Almost to the point of having no opinons of your own. When I post my own opinion on the NetEpic list I do it in excruciatingly polite and non-forceful manner, just to emphasize what "I" think from what the "moderator" does. I am infinitely more careful what I say on my own list than what say this forum, because here I only represent my own view. On the NetEpic list I have to watch out to make sure I give a fair shake to EVERYONE'S view whether I think it stinks or not.

You don't magically get respect or trust by slapping on a "moderator" moniker. You must EARN it, but before you do so, you must know if you have the patience to actually do such a task well.

It's a hard job to do, so I would never advise someone to get into it lightly.

Primarch.