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primarch	Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:59 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! With all due respect, I think you have no idea what PG can be like on the E-A boards!     While I dont post there, I read the list daily and I agree his attitude is out of hand. Just go ahead with the petition, its has merit. Regarding the bashing, it will die out soon if not already. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules

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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 11:54 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	I started the petiition at: ? EpiComms ? General ? General Discussion ? Petition for Moderator Reform at E-A Forums The URL is: Petition for Moderator Reform at E-A Forums Please sign the petition if you would like to see the E-A Playtest forums reformed. Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
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primarch	Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 11:56 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! Good move doing it in this fashion. Anyone can just visit the thread to confirm its veracity and that of the names. I think it would be good for those members who regularly post to sign up since it has increased legitimacy that way. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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MaksimSmelchak

Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 12:03 am

Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Primarch, I think it would be good for those members who regularly post to sign up since it has increased legitimacy that way. Anyone who plans to play or purchase a copy of Epic-Armageddon is welcome to sign the petition regardless of whether they are a member of they E-A boards. It doesn't matter whether you have no posts or 378. In other words, you don't have to be a regular poster to sign the petition. Petition for Moderator Reform at E-A Forums Shabbat Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/

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primarch	Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 1:46 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! Okay, I guess that means me too. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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Dooglebug	Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 3:27 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:30 pm Posts: 282	Just read a large part of this thread and after having read war and peace aswell all in the same afternoon I have to say I didn't realise things had got so bad on the EA board. It sounds like I dropped off the board around the right time. _________________ Regards Dooglebug aka 'Da Bug'
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Legion 4	Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 4:01 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	As I have said, 3-4 or 5-6 months from now, once E-A is released in some form or another, the official E-A boards may take on less relevance. However the dicussion will probably gravitate around the "errata" of the "hard-copy" rules. Which is inevitable... I still have an Epic Mag subscription, so I hope we'll see some good stuff there. ? Based on what I see in W/D - Warmaster, Blood Bowl, =][=, etc., get a page or less for advertising. ? So we should not expect any better for E-A. ? Jervis admits that marketing for E40K was "poor", I'm not sure if E-A's is much better? ? At least you can still buy Epic from G/W US. Where G/W UK thought stopping Epic sales until after the release of E-A was a "good" idea? ? The Epic saga continues... ? _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:25 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	[This post was moved from the petition here. Sorry for the inconvenience. - Maksim-Smelchak] Err, sorry this is not a petition entry... I was mostly agreeing with most of the points previous posters made, and I myself felt several time a bit irritated by the moderator of the official forum. But it seems to me that he made quite some efforts in the lasts weeks (maybe due to those discussions!) and I think he doesn't deserve to be stripped of this status. He certainly make efforts and have some capabilities for the job. For those reasons, I don't want to "sign" such a petition, while not necessarily disaproving it. I also understand Maksim (and others) POV, and certainly think that Maksim would be a good moderator (he certainly prove to be a good one here so...). I would be more inclined to sned an E-mail to PG (I personally plan on sending one), stating those opinions and I would suport having Maksim as a second moderator. This would probably balance the possibility of excess from PG (which I repeat, I haven't seen in the last few weeks) while not being a "punishment," which I think he doesn't deserve yet about this. Athmos. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:30 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	[This post was moved from the petition here. Sorry for the inconvenience. - Maksim-Smelchak] Athmos, If you don't want to sign a petition, then don't. This wasn't meant to discuss whether or not this needed to be done. This is the result of those discussions we already had. Besides, give the moderator a couple of weeks and things will return to their previous state again. Gandalf the Grey. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
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MaksimSmelchak

Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:43 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Athmos and Gandalf, Besides, give the moderator a couple of weeks and things will return to their previous state again. I wrote PG and so have others. Keith and Jervis have also been written a number of E-mails. In fact, Jervis has been written enough E-mails at this point that he is sending "standard responses" to anyone E-mailing him about the moderator situation. I originally thought that if we just let PG know what was going on that he would eventually improve. He has to a degree... The problem is that he lapses as fast as he improves and it's very little progress. I had a lot of patience before, but I don't any longer. He is showing to have a repeated pattern of returning to the same moderator behaviors that the great majority of posters are adverse to (even if they won't do much about it). I no longer want to have to put up with it. I think it is unreasonable for posters TO have to put up with it. So I created the petition (after extensive discussion here and through private E-mails with most of the top posters at the E-A Playtest Boards) as a passive (and peaceful) way of saying that we care and we would like changes. It's not a demand, a personal attack on the moderator, or even intended to be punishment (punitive action) against him. The petition is meant to enact reform and have a more pleasant moderator installed. I don't think PG should leave the boards; he's a great playtester, but it doesn't seem as if arbitrating other's disagreements and posts is his best talent. I'm not certain that it's one of my talents either (especially on an E-forum). Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/

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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Playtest Question Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:44 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	Athmos, Err, sorry this is not a petition entry... That's OK. You're not required to sign the petition. Noone is. It's 100% voluntary. I was mostly agreeing with most of the points previous posters made, and I felt several time a bit irritated by the moderator of the official forum.

This is a good reason to sign the petition. Ultimately there should be a little more than irritation, but it's a beginning.

But it seems to me that he made quite some efforts in the lasts weeks (maybe due to those discussions!) and I think he doesn't deserve to be stripped of this status.

The post above this one describes my response to this.

He certainly make efforts and have some capabilities for the job. For those reasons, I don't want to "sign" such a petition, while not necessarily disaproving it.

I didn't want to start a petition so I took all of the preceding steps first (i.e. to E-mail the person and discuss it with them) and to E-mail the administrators.

Things have changed very little and not significantly (adding smiley faces after posts doesn't count as a big change) so I started the petition.

I also understand Maksim (and others) POV, and certainly think that Maksim would be a good moderator (he certainly prove to be a good one here so...).

I didn't start the petition to try and take the job although I would do it if their was a need. I have hoped that someone else would rise to the task so my position as the initiator of the petition wouldn't be misconstrued.

I would be more inclined to send an E-mail to PG (I personally plan on sending one), stating those opinions and I would suport having Maksim as a second moderator. This would probably balance the possibility of excess from PG (which I repeat, I haven't seen in the last few weeks) while not being a "punishment," which I think he doesn't deserve yet about this.

I did this (send E-mails). So have many others (Read the above thread for more information if desired).

I don't think of the moderator being changed as punishment for PG. He has stated to me before that forum is a mess and that he didn't ask to be moderator (Jervis asked him). In a way, it might be a relief for him.

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.