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Post subject: Ordinatus!  Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 4:19 am |
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Hi!
It doesn't need to be a "refined" finished product. I'd be more than happy to see an outline of the basic points.
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Post subject: Ordinatus! Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 4:33 am |
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Fair enough, but like I said we use SM1 Templates, scenario generation system, and activation. The combat results system and leadership/morale is still very much in question.
When we played last we used the E-40K chart for combat and a conglomeration of morale rules. Still very much under construction...  ?
The list of rules that I mentioned on the first post on this subject is still valid...
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Post subject: Ordinatus! Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 8:42 pm |
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Legion, I forgot to bring up how much I liked what Epic40k tried to do with assaults. Assaults in Epic40k could get annoying and take time to resolve, but the notion that you could still win the fight (cause more casualties) and still be force to retreat was brilliant. You couldn't do that in the previous editions. I think Morale in AT/SM is useless, and only comes into play when the captain gets killed that I can remember. I liked the panic rules though.
I didn't like how every race had a generic level of morale where all they had to do was beat the number of blast markers. It does assume that everyone are badasses, but I liked SM2/TL where you could really judge how much of a beating a detachment could take and how it would mostly likely react. Which do I think is more realistic? Probably Epic40k, but SM2/TL was a little more fun.
It is little things like this and randomly rolling leadership in BFG really brings shows the genius in some of the things Jervis and Andy come up with, but at the same time I still think we come up with great ideas ourselves.
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Post subject: Ordinatus! Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 8:48 pm |
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Hi!
Actually the best idea for morale, which I used for Heresy, is DSII's morale system.
It reflects morale and training, so can have troops with high motivation and morale, but low training (as in irregular fanatic units) or really well trained troops with low morale or motivation (disaffected troops).
It also has degrading morale as you go from a "fresh" combat state to a routed one.
Its more detailed though, but as for C-in-C and morale effects in battle (which actual effect on combat performance in game) its difficult to make one better.
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Post subject: Ordinatus! Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:58 am |
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The "Firefight" concept in both E40K and E-A is a true paradigm shift, and generally, we like it.
Morale, Brake Point, Leadership, etc., are big sticking points.
SM-1 handled it poorly, and we modified it.
SM-2 was no better and E-40K and E-A made it too simple, and of little use. ?
DSII may be the better system with some modifications... ?
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Post subject: Ordinatus! Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:31 pm |
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Hi!
There are some variants of DSII that use dice instead of the "chit system", they seemed to be pretty good and made the game flow better.
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Post subject: Ordinatus! Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:08 pm |
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Post subject: Ordinatus! Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:57 pm |
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Gandalf: We all know you two despise each other. It seems that regardless of which one of you says something, the other is likely to over-react.
In this case, I agree PG went overboard.
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Post subject: Ordinatus! Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:53 pm |
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| Quote (primarch @ 22 2003 Aug.,21:21) | Can't you just FEEL the love between PG and Gandalf, it's so touching, such comraderie, such finess and tact and civility.
I truely shed a tear reading it...  |
I laughed. I cried. It became a part of me.
Heh.
You make me laugh, Primarch.
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Post subject: Ordinatus! Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 10:06 pm |
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*sniggers... hehe Primarch.. 
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Post subject: Ordinatus! Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 11:20 pm |
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Yeah,
It really sucks cause I have to be politically correct in my replies and just can't open up cause he'll delete them on the account that they are offensive.
Oh well. I hate holding back but what can I do? ?
He definitely doesn't practice what he preaches and therefore just reinforces the fact that he's a "poopy" moderator.
I just think it's funny he's up for adding additional support detachments after all the arguements before how they were fine just the way that they were.
Tool. Blunt tool, I might add.
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Post subject: Ordinatus! Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 11:41 pm |
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Hi!
I laughed. ?I cried. ?It became a part of me.
Heh.
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I figure we need some laughing; things are far too "hostile" on that playtest forum.
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Post subject: Ordinatus! Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 11:46 pm |
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Hi!
Yeah, it really sucks cause I have to be politically correct in my replies and just can't open up cause he'll delete them on the account that they are offensive. Oh well. I hate holding back but what can I do? He definately doesn't practice what he preaches and therefore just reinforces the fact he's a crappy moderator. I just think it's funny he's up for adding additional support detachments after all the arguements before how they were fine just the way that they were. Tool. Blunt tool I might add.
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Like I told Maksim, if it irks you that much, move for a change, alert Jervis and see what happens.
Otherwise you wont accomplish much....
...other than making ME laugh watching you guys go at it.
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