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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History!  Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 6:30 pm |
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| Quote (primarch @ 27 2003 Dec.,20:12) | "bandwidth theft" catchy phrase....
Is this another "new" GW policy or just enforcing an older edict? |
This is quite normal behaviour for a lot of websites (not just GW, it also my policy as well for Felix's Gaming Pages).
I am not happy if I pay for webspace (which is a lot of money which I could spend on miniatures - approx ?180 per year) which then is used by other people to deliver my pictures on their website (so I pay for the bandwidth but they get the visitors). So I understand GW's point of view in this respect.
I am very protective of my photographs and I am hurt if people use them without permission and in some cases use them to sell stuff (which I then don't get any thing from).
The following picture was used by a website to sell the relevant model, they charged over ?100 for this model as it is rather rare.
and I never got a penny for it.
now you might say why are you "deep-linking" here, well in this instance there is a link to my website in my sig and I am the one doing it...
If it was done a lot then simply I would not have a website!
I will admit I was not happy with the fact that my photographs were used in Incoming without my permission. I allowed De'Aynes to show them but this does not give De'Aynes the right to allow others to use them. If someone had asked I would have probably said yes, no problem.
The problem when this sort of thing to starts to happen then anyone feels that they can use my pictures without recourse.
I do a bit of professional photography on the side now and again and am more than aware of the issues relating to images and copyright._________________ Jimbo
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 6:33 pm |
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| Quote (netepic @ 27 2003 Dec.,22:17) | | Any chance of a simple html link Jimbo |
alas no (see Chris' post on how to do it)
If I put a link on this forum, GW will realise where people are coming from in downloading the pictures and could cause legal hassles for Cyber which could result in closure of the forum and the site.
Of course if you just type in the link in a fresh browser window then everything will be fine (GW still will not be happy - as WB were not happy when certain people guessed the URL of the new Harry Potter trailer.
I can post this link
http://www.specialist-games.com/
I can not post this link (as a live link)
www.specialist-games.com/images/dailyim ... 7/pic3.jpg_________________ Jimbo
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:26 pm |
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| Quote (Jimbo @ 28 2003 Dec.,17:30) | | I will admit I was not happy with the fact that my photographs were used in Incoming without my permission. I allowed De'Aynes to show them but this does not give De'Aynes the right to allow others to use them. If someone had asked I would have probably said yes, no problem. |
Sorry if using your pics in Incoming has caused problems Jimbo. However, the pages in incoming are a direct extension of De'Aynes, thus, in theory, De'Aynes was still using your pics in a diferent context. Again, sorry if this has caused problems.
I will speak to Doug about how the pages are used/developed in the future.
Many Thanks
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:52 pm |
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Hasn't caused problems as such (or yet), but I was unaware that sending pics into De'Aynes meant that they would also be used in Incoming. I was happy to support De'Aynes as a community site (and in a way I would be happy to support incoming as a community 'zine[1]) it's just the clarification was needed.
My usual caveat in using my pictures is to include a credit and a link to my website:
aka
http://www.solegends.com/citle/index.htm
and
http://www.solegends.com/citle/citle24sleazyriderl.htm
[1] I have to admit I keep meaning to help Doug out and design a proper template so he can make it more like a magazine rather than just a Word document, or even do a cover.
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 7:21 am |
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Go to the Spec/Games site - Pic of the day - W/M G/Daemon on Disc ! Cool !  
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:31 pm |
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Not much to say really... This was posted on the SG forum in response to a thread about re-opening the US archives. Read it and weep 
Hi,
A petition to open the archive is not going to work. Most of the old Epic molds have failed due to age and wear and have been destroyed so we no longer have Epic molds in the USA.
Sean Forbes
Direct Services Manager
Games Workshop USA
Cheers!
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:32 pm |
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:48 pm |
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| Quote (Warmaster Nice @ 11 2004 June,08:31) | A petition to open the archive is not going to work. Most of the old Epic molds have failed due to age and wear and have been destroyed so we no longer have Epic molds in the USA.
Sean Forbes
Direct Services Manager
Games Workshop USA |
Guess I will have to keep my money and buy some other manufacturers stuff. 
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:15 pm |
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Hi!
Hmm...this all but assures that I will never buy from them again. The only thing GWUS had going for them was the archive. I can get things quicker and cheaper from GWUK....
...alas I knew yea well GWUS...
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:15 pm |
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This guy Sean Forbes posted a second reply to the thread:
Guys,
All of the Epic 40,000 bitz are no longer available. As far as the other lines Warmaster and BFG, we simply don't have enough demand for bitz for these systems to keep selling them. Also, the rumor that we will begin selling Epic bitz is false, there are no plans to do so at this time.
Sean Forbes
Direct Services Manager
Games Workshop USA
I know I'm being overly optimistic but "at the time" does leave a tiny glimpse of hope for at least the E40k models to become available again at some point. Sad news nevertheless.
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:53 pm |
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Hi!
To be frank I always felt GW's claims of "broken" or "wasted" molds pretty hoaky. I mean if they no longer wish to sell something because it competes negatively with a newer more profitable line, then thats what they should do.
But giving simplistic excuses isn't my cup of tea. I find it rather insulting. I'm a big boy and know how the real world works. I'd respect them more if they were more sincere
To each their own I guess. This seems to be another "end of an era". Another thing that is no more that we will fondly recollect from here on in.
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:52 pm |
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Why were they able to sell Epic minis from the archive up til a few months ago then??!
...Did all the moulds suddenly become 'worn out' when the archive closed?! ..wtf?
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:11 pm |
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I get the feeling that GWUS simply doesnt want to deal with Epic at all any more. Very sad, and confusing, since selling stuff over the 'net is the cheapest method of doing so. And yes, I weep over the bitz that I was hoping for to do some projects.....sigh.
my 2cents,
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:22 pm |
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Hi!
Stormseer, they yanked the archive shortly before epicA was released in the UK. I find it highly improbably that ALL molds were worn out AT THE SAME TIME. I think they are so used to dealing with "kiddies" nowadays that they forget there may be some adults that may like more sophisticated answers.....
Iblisdrax, its been my contention since Epic A was even being developed that support from some of the regional GW's that support would be lackluster or non-exsistant. GW has a very LONG memory of "failed" lines. GWUS got "bit" quite unfavorably with epic 40k and the loads of stock it had to "eat" after it tanked. We can all remember the great sales of 2-3 dollars blisters, which for a gamer is great, but for business it was bad.
I dont think GWUS or GWAUS for that matter really got over it. Long memories. For me the "clincher" was when it became clear that the game would not be simultaneously released with the UK. Thats unheard of in the annals of epic. Learning that it would mostly be MO only and that the retailing structure for independants was not only through a separate channel but at an inferior discount only ratifies what I knew all along...
...that in the US at least epic was going to be weakly supported.
I got to envy the UK though, they are getting the grade "A" service for this version of epic. Heck even Canada seems to be doing way better than GWUS as far as epic goes and its support.
I just hope that UK and Canada can carry the game enough to sustain its economic viability and it will be to them and their fans that the "epic ship" will owe its keeping afloat to.
Oh well, heres to GWUK and GWCAN and their success to supporting epic. The effort is appreciated.
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Post subject: A Sad Moment in Epic History! Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:50 pm |
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Stormseer, they yanked the archive shortly before epicA was released in the UK. I find it highly improbably that ALL molds were worn out AT THE SAME TIME. I think they are so used to dealing with "kiddies" nowadays that they forget there may be some adults that may like more sophisticated answers..... |
Quite...
-Precisely my point- why don't they just say; "Oh, the archive won't make us any money, so we won't bring it back..." ..instead of fobbing us off as they seem to be doing...
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