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Post subject: Overwatch question  Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:41 am |
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With E:A I think a free FF attack _before_ the assault is worked out but _after_ the enemy has made the assault move (wait until you see the whites/reds of their eyes...) would be the right choice. If anyone wants to charge a detachment on overwatch he should pay the price.
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iblisdrax
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:58 pm |
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Hmm, maybe a simple little rules amendment giving detachments with NO ranged weapons (that Have a FF value) that go into overwatch a First Strike attack in the event that they are engaged. What do you guys think?
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:43 pm |
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I think they would get to put 1 BM on the attacking formation. Units with only small arms are still allowed to shoot normally, they don't roll any attacks but they do put 1 BM on the formation for coming under fire.
It's not much but it could potentially give you +2 to the assault resolution (romoving "Your formation has no Blast markers (+1)" from the enemy and adding "Enemy has more Blast markers ?(+1)" to you)
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iblisdrax
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:34 am |
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Yeah, but I still think that a formation that is ready and waiting (perhaps hiding, ambushing) should get more than just a BM for being on overwatch. Especially a formation used primarily in the assault. Perhaps a house rule is in order here for my group. 
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:03 am |
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Overwatch is actually a "real military" term ... however, I believe in E:A's case, waiting in ambush or simply waiting in hasty defensive positions, in cover etc., to shoot at a target that in comes into the unit's FoF and range. ?Remember that a unit on Fire Fire (SM1 & 2) or Overwatch is basically not moving and are going to use their ranged weapons ...
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:32 pm |
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| Quote (iblisdrax @ 07 2004 April,21:51) | Okay, what if an infantry unit with no ranged weapons (small arms only), goes into overwatch? ?How do you handle it when this detachment gets assaulted? ?Do they get a FF Overwatch attack before the enemy gets into base to base? ?Or what? ?I can't find anything in the rules on this.
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Infantry units on overwatch get a 5+ cover save. This helps everyone, even units with no ranged weapon attacks.
I like the idea of giving overwatching units First Strike.
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:48 pm |
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Yes, that's the way it was in SM1, Infantry on First Fire orders, got a cover bonus ... Infantry lying down prone and/or in a hasty defensive posture under cover/concealment are harder to see, hence harder to hit ... rules like this adds a little "realism" to the game. 
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:51 pm |
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Where is that 5+ save for overwatch at in the rules? Because I've been looking in my rulebook and I can't find it.
If it is in there somebody give me a section or page number and I'll slap myself upside the head again. 
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:06 pm |
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The +5 modifier is in there somewere, I will find it if I can
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:19 pm |
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There is a mention of it (5+ save) in the q/a section under, COVER SAVES!! It also mentions infantry hiding 'as if in ambush' in this section. So I would agree that overwatch should give some bonus.
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:35 pm |
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Okay, I found it. It is on page 18, section 1.8.4 Special Rule Terrain Effects. Infantry in open ground get a 5+ cover save when on Overwatch. Interestingly, this could lead to different tactics for IG troops. Move them up and then go into overwatch just for the save. Not good for any kind of assault, but usefull as a blocking force for your artillery.
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:01 pm |
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 3:01 am |
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But, without cover, that is exactly what you get with an IG infantry company...lots of dead bodies. 
Btw, I was simply exploring a tactic to protect your precious, expensive artillery company in a 3000-5000 point game. An infantry company on overwatch, with a RR formation and or a sentinel formation would do the trick very well, against most threats against your artillery. (Again, assuming no cover, of course.)
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 6:13 am |
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Well if you have not figured it out, yet ... I always try to use cover and concealment !
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Post subject: Overwatch question Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 1:06 pm |
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But what if you don't have any availible cover? Without cover, going into overwatch is an interesting option.
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