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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar!  Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:14 pm |
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| Quote (primarch @ 05 2004 Jan.,09:11) | | But GW has a long history of high expectations for sales of its games, so if its set too high, I think the game will be in trouble. |
One of the good things about it coming from Fanatic then as I assume that the expectations of games from that particular GW subsiduary are much more realistic.
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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar! Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:48 pm |
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| Quote (primarch @ 05 2004 Jan.,13:37) | I want the game to last as long as it takes for all armies and minis to be released. In my view thats the most important thing!  |
As long as it lasts until the Necrons get released. :-)
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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar! Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:04 pm |
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Hi!
 It seems there are quite a few of us that desire Necrons, eh?
Understandable, its the only army not available in any form yet, since Tau are available through FW, albiet the infantry is somewhat costly, but the vehicles are decently priced.
By the way, have the Epic A come up with an experimental Necron list? We're coming up with a Tau one for net epic and soon one for necrons and it would be good to see the Epic A's for insight and inspiration.
Thanks!
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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar! Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:32 pm |
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There are at least 2 and possibly 3 on the EpicA and epica_lists yahoo groups. I would suggest steering clear of Fifth Horseman's lists as they tend to be all fluff, no playability, and insanely fiddly.
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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar! Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:43 pm |
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| Quote (nealhunt @ 05 2004 Jan.,14:32) | | There are at least 2 and possibly 3 on the EpicA and epica_lists yahoo groups. I would suggest steering clear of Fifth Horseman's lists as they tend to be all fluff, no playability, and insanely fiddly. |
The list on the Epic_lists group is The Fifth Horsemen's. He also has two on the EpicA group file area.
There is one by boris_poehlmann that I haven't looked at.
I think shmitty has one as well but his EpicA lists page is 404 at the moment.
As per Neal's comments, TFH has a habit of making very complicated and overly detailed lists that don't lend themselves to easy playing.
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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar! Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 3:22 am |
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Hi!
I would only need the list as a source of unit names and precisely what unit types were considered for an epic army for comparative purposes.
The rules themselves will not be a problem since the net epic list will furnish rules for them. If they are fluff heavy that would actually be helpful to me since I only really need an idea of what the unit's battlefield role is. I dont know much about necrons in the GW sense so any information is useful.
If anyone can point out a link, I'll peruse what is available.
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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar! Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:46 am |
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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar! Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:07 pm |
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| Quote (Legion 4 @ 06 2004 Jan.,14:46) | I've got a lot of Epic to complete before that !  |
Haven't we all!
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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar! Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:59 pm |
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There are at least 2 and possibly 3 on the EpicA and epica_lists yahoo groups. ?I would suggest steering clear of Fifth Horseman's lists as they tend to be all fluff, no playability, and insanely fiddly.
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Neal, your knowledge ids outdated
1. My army lists are never all fluff. Where did such stupid thought jump into your brain??? I usually add circa one or two pages of fluff.
2. I'm steering clear of doing too many special rules, as you can clearly see in the new EIA. It is quite playable.
And your post is somewhat hostile towards me. If it's not intended, then I'll forget about it. If it's intended... then better hide in a nuclear shelter.
TFH has a habit of making very complicated and overly detailed lists that don't lend themselves to easy playing.
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Shouldn't this be "had"?
And I also have a habit of doing army lists that nobody else wants to do.
Primarch, buy Codex: Necrons, this is the best thing you can do. PM me your e-mail, so I can send you my list, and links to some Necron stuff.
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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar! Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:56 pm |
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| Quote (Chris @ 05 2004 Jan.,17:53) | | Also about Britney, she filed for a Divorce just 2 hours after the marriage (When she sobered up). So there is still hope, but I'm sure there are better looking girls around who don't have a thing for Madonna! |
Oh... she did get my text then.. 
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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar! Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:07 pm |
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Good move Tom !!! It's anyone's guess what happens next ! But with all that is going on in the World (the War, bin Laden tapes, Mars Landing, Mad Cow, E:A's upcoming release, etc., etc.) the news is still talking about her !  Go figure ! 
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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar! Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:07 pm |
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| Quote (the_fifth_horseman @ 06 2004 Jan.,11:59) | Neal, your knowledge ids outdated
1. My army lists are never all fluff. Where did such stupid thought jump into your brain??? I usually add circa one or two pages of fluff.
2. I'm steering clear of doing too many special rules, as you can clearly see in the new EIA. It is quite playable. |
Lets nip this is the bud before a flame war starts.
I personally have always enjoyed your army lists TFH, I have also noticed massive improvements in them over the months - like everything designing takes practice and everyone makes mistakes at first (ask the NetEPIC old guard about my first EPICentre I made for them! Talk about clunky and ugly! not like the flagship it is today)
TFH, once I have piled through all the emails for the EPICentres admin account I will post feedback on it to the Epic:A list, I also need to post feedback on the Tau armylist for NE5 and do a weeks washing up :S. Damn parties!
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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar! Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:29 pm |
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@Primarch - I don't play 40k so MSN me at webbsoft@hotmail.com and I can mail you my codex.
@Legion - I know, nice to see there focus is on the 'important' matters :S
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Post subject: Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar! Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 9:44 pm |
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No flame war is intended, nor is any hostility. I just consider the lists to have the problems I stated.
1. My army lists are never all fluff. Where did such stupid thought jump into your brain??? I usually add circa one or two pages of fluff. |
1. I respectfully disagree. For example, in the playtest forum I recently questioned the Deathwing terminators in your IA list. You made 2 points in response - that the background reads that way and that it modeled the 40K rules(highly debatable), but your response was primarily fluff-driven.
That's fine, but your lists are badly unbalanced because of the emphasis on background over playability. They might make for fun scenario play, but I would not even consider playing them as a GT setup.
2. I'm steering clear of doing too many special rules, as you can clearly see in the new EIA. It is quite playable.
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2. You have continued to add special rules in large quantity. In addition, you have added multiple units that are so similar to existing units that the differences will have no difference in play, adding unnecessary complexity.
For example, the first chapter specific army in your IA is the Dark Angels. By the end of the list, you have six special rules:
General SM:
Special weapon
Technician
Stubborn
DA:
Intractable
Ravenwing
Hunting the fallen
White scars: 3 rules
Imp Fists: 2 rules
BA: 4 rules
Ultramarines: 2 rules
Salamanders: 2 rules
Ravenguard: 1 rule
I count that as 20 special rules and we haven't gotten all the loyalist chapters yet (Space wolves pending).
There are also significant problems with new units and army list organization. 20% differences in WE support costs, for instance, causes a very big change in play balance. Another example is the fact that the Iron Hands chapter could potentially have a half dozen Supreme Commanders in the form of a Venerable dreadnoughts scattered through the army.
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Again, this is not meant to inflame and I had no intention of starting a TFH list debate. However, I believe my criticism stands on firm ground.
As far as Ms. Spears ... her actions speak for themselves !