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New Krieg + Feral Ork lists up in the vault
CyberShadow	Post subject: New Krieg + Feral Ork lists up in the vault Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 11:22 pm
Swarm Tyrant Joined: Thu Jan 02, 2003 6:22 pm Posts: 9348 Location: Singapore	OK. I am at home right now, but I think that the Thousand Sons PDF file (freshly stolen from Pixelgeek, who transformed your original file), should now be... ...here... (I hope that this works!    ) _________________ https://www.cybershadow.ninja - A brief look into my twisted world, including wargames and beyond. https://www.net-armageddon.org - The official NetEA (Epic Armageddon) site and resource.
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nealhunt	Post subject: New Krieg + Feral Ork lists up in the vault Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 4:50 pm
Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA	Cool.  Thanks. Wow, 12+ hours and no flames yet... _________________ Neal
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dafrca	Post subject: New Krieg + Feral Ork lists up in the vault Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 2:04 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 6:02 pm Posts: 10956 Location: Burbank, CA, USA	Neal, Wouldn't want you to have to go too long without Flames... So here's some...:p dafrca (Who knows he is being silly, but can't seem to help himself) _________________ "Every Man is a But Spark in the Darkness"               - Cities of Death, page 59 Come fight me, if you dare...... http://dd-janks.mybrute.com
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stormseer	Post subject: New Krieg + Feral Ork lists up in the vault Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 1:32 pm
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Periodic	Post subject: New Krieg + Feral Ork lists up in the vault Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 6:12 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2003 6:54 am Posts: 70	Ooh ooh, me likey alot. In fact, I think I like it more then Jervis' black legion list. It's got more personality, and it's better presented (hooray for  .pdf's), and it really feels very close to what you'd expect an official list to look like. Minus a few spelling errors, inconsistencies, and imbalances of course. Here's a few ideas that I'd like to throw about though: Are you sure bolt of change warrants a MW5+? I mean, if I remember correctly (and this is of dubious probability), it isn't significantly more efficient then a lascannon, and a lascannon is still just AT5+. Perhaps MW6+ or AP5+/AT5+ would be more appropriate. Instead of doing the guard 1-in-2 heavy weapons thing, why not make the the sorceror a character upgrade that can be purchased for every 2 thousand sons units in the detachment at a modest fee? He would bring with him the Bolt of Change power. So the basic thousand sons detachment would have 6 stands and have an option for 3 (or 2 if you count the sorceror lord) sorceror upgrades. The Disc Riders detachments seem a little assault oriented. The models themselves are just guys with cloaks and a bolter. Mine are also mounted one to a stand. How many guys is this statline supposed to represent? It seems to me they should be less direct assault oriented, and perhaps more firefight/sorcery oriented. It'd be cool if you worked in a way to throw in a daemon prince. I wanna break out Magnus and his EYE BEAM OF DEATH +4. Perhaps a 'council of sorcerors' formation would be cool. It'd allow you to upgrade a stand and incorporate Magnus, or upgrade them all to ride discs and give you a way to incorporate them crazy disc disc riders. Cool list though. -Periodic.
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Jimbo	Post subject: New Krieg + Feral Ork lists up in the vault Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:22 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex	Quote (dafrca @ 12 2003 July,02:04) So here's some...:p giggles _________________ Jimbo Felix's Gaming Pages Felix's Gaming Pages Blog Almost Always Right...
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dafrca	Post subject: New Krieg + Feral Ork lists up in the vault Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 1:17 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 6:02 pm Posts: 10956 Location: Burbank, CA, USA	I couldn't help myself   Back on topic, I do like what you have started here guys. dafrca _________________ "Every Man is a But Spark in the Darkness"               - Cities of Death, page 59 Come fight me, if you dare...... http://dd-janks.mybrute.com
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Shadow Hunter	Post subject: New Krieg + Feral Ork lists up in the vault Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 9:36 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:41 am Posts: 1747 Location: Norton Canes, Cannock, Staffs, UK	*phew* is it getting hot in here?   Some good points periodic, The MW5+ BoC was taken straight from JJ Black Legion list.  In there he gives the LoC that power with those stats. I guess its for game balance.  I know its stats are slightly worse than a Lascannon, but I suppose they need that stat line as they lack those sort of weapons otherwise.  Also, it would probably incorperate the fact that sorcerers can use Thralls, which allows them to shoot the power up to 4 times. Including Magnus would be really cool.  He was in the previous Epics wasn't he? What was he like then?
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nealhunt	Post subject: New Krieg + Feral Ork lists up in the vault Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:01 pm
Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA	>> Ooh ooh, me likey alot... Minus a few spelling errors... Thanks. I didn't do a hard edit on it, because it is a draft. >> Are you sure that the bolt of change warrants a MW5+?

You have a point. That's the BoC stat from Jervis's Black Legion list, as Shadow Hunter mentioned. While it might not be perfectly in line with 40K, I do like the effect.

>> Why not make the the sorceror a character upgrade that can be purchased for every 2 of something?

This was to line up with 40K. Basically a TSons army gets its' commanders/sorcerers for free. Also, to align with the background fluff, the Rubric TSons are automatons that take quite a bit of management. Either way, rules or fluff, there will virtually always be sorcerers present.

>> The Disc Riders detachments seem a little assault oriented... just guys with cloaks and a bolter.

Again, lining up with the more recent 40K stuff. The discs add attacks in HTH. Also, the only way to field disc riders are as Chosen. They are all sorcerers, but the majority of psychic powers are 40k-scale stuff, rather than BoC level heavy weapons substitutes. That translates into strong assault. They could arguably have a higher firefight score, though, now that I think about it.

>> It'd be cool if you worked in a way to throw in a daemon prince. I wanna break out Magnus and his EYE BEAM OF DEATH +4. >>Perhaps a 'council of sorcerors' formation would be cool.

Heh. I think including a daemon prince as an alternate to the sorcerer lord would be fine, but I dislike the idea of taking Magnus himself for the same reason I dislike Ragnar Blackmane or Gazhkull Thraka or other characters. They are one person in a battle of potentially millions.

I like the Council of Sorcerers idea. It would match up with a Sorcerer Lord and Chosen Retinue in 40K. Rather than a separate formation, though, I think it would be a good upgrade. Something like 2 stands, BoC for each, high CC/FF, and the expectation that the Character upgrade for the formation would be used on one of them.

Great feedback.?Please give me a bit of time to think on it...