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Basing Bikes / Cavalry, How?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2003 4:55 pm 
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Woohoo! An extra 2 stands, groovy :), I will let you know how it goes.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2003 8:06 pm 
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I have pictures of a Patriarch that I have.


Cool, isn't that one of the old 40k Familiar models that came with the Magus figures?....
Looks perfect to use in Epic- Great idea CyberShadow... :D

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2003 10:56 pm 
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Ive got one of those, that puts my army at one (1) unit...

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Cybershadow, those are the same "old School" familiars that I use for my Patriarchs and I use 2 other types of those "old" models for my Chaos Spawn, too, as well as my Greater Deamons (you can see them on the Epicollector site). ?Here's my version, based on SM1 Cultist. These are in number of dets. by type. ?Genestealers 1+, Patriarch 0-1, Hybrids 0-2 (I used some old Scotia models), Spawn 0-3, Coven/Chaos Magi/Magus 1. Each Cult consists of any combination of 6 (total) of the following dets. - Cultist Inf. 2-5 (includes Tac. & Assault dets.), Mtd. Cultists 0-4 (R/Rides & Bikes), Beastmen 0-4, Spt Wpns 0-1 ?(incls. Rapiers, T/guns, Mortars, Tarantulas), Vehicles 0-2 ( L/Russ, Rhinos, any IG AFV), ?Sentinals or robots 0-1, Artillery 0-1, (any IG type), Chaos Artifact Weapon 0-1 (based on Patron Power, Daemon Engines, Knights, Plague Tower, Lord of Battles, etc.). ?If I find an acceptable model(s) for a Limo, I'll add it. ?I also have an option to use other Tyranid, models for an expanded G/S Cult, too, including Tyranids, Lictors and any other 'Nid inf. types (0-1 mostly) available on the sprue (I have 10 sprues worth). ?This could be a very powerful force and give anybody a tough time, but as I said, I've never used it in a game :{ , ?yet ...   I use the IG vehicles and troops  from my Guard Regts., so I didn't have to make Cultist only models. However the Magnus is a combination of SM1/2 "Old Guard" troops & E40K Cultists Leader, and the Cultist Assault Troops are 4 "Old Guard" gunners & 1 E40K Cultist.

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Cool. Thanks for that L4. It looks like an interesting force. I think that the main thing that you have allowed that I have not are the Chaos battle gifts. I did think about them, but in the end I decided on simply adding a Chaos Cultist detachment. (One of the first two GW things that I bought was a GS/Khorne Cult - which is where I got the Imperial Guard models, Tuff!)

As for mutants, I am sure that they will be very interesting. Personally, I plan to take my time with these guys and have some fun. But, remember that mutations can include a third eye, spitting acid, webbed fingers, brightly coloured skin, and an ability to strangely pick the fastest queue in the supermarket!  :D  I guess that what I am saying is that mutants dont HAVE to be heavily converted.

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I'm glad you showed some interest, it's a flexible system and should be fun to play on the table. I saw in the E-A Chaos lists, they show Limos and some type of Transport for Cultists, so hopefully they will make some "neat" models. ?I look forward to it. ?Mutations on 6mm scale might just be easily reflected in the rules, but if you have the urge, go for it. ? ? Thanks again ... :D

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Shadow, I've just posted some replys for you on the Playtester's forum.

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Great, thanks. I will check them out.

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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2003 5:15 pm 
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How are you basing your bikes / cavalry?

- The SM-2 way with two bikes/ cavalry on a 20mmx20mm square? Squares?

- The Epic-40k way with three bikes / cavalry on a 20mmx40mm Warmaster-style rectangular base? Rectangles?

- Speaking of which, which type of basing do you prefer and why?

I have a combination of the two, but I think I'm leaning towards the Warmaster 20mmx40mm base, because I like the differentiation from other bases (It gives cavalry its' own distinctive look). On the other hand, they don't fit on the terain nearly as well as the old 20mmx20mm square bases.

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That varied greatly between games. We use SM1 standards, normally. ?

Rough Riders & IG bikes = 5 on G/W Cav bases, why 'cause you could dismount according to SM1 rules and fight as an inf. stand. ?

SMs/ Eldar bikes = one on G/W small square or round base. ?

Chaos - Juggers & Slann = 2 , Disc riders = 1 (they have a hvy wpn and are a skimmer) on round base. ?

Squats - Trikes & Nobles = 1 (hvy wpn), bikes = 2 on round bases.

Orks - 5 Boar Boys on Warmaster base. Bikes, etc. - 1 on round base.

Again, most of this is based on SM1.

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..I'm basing mine in the Epic 40k style- I think they look rather crowded together in twos on the old bases, and there is room for scenery and stuff, even if you do use more models on a 20x40 base...

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I based my SM bikes three to one WHFB/40k style cavlry base. Don't know the size though. I used them coz I couldn't get any Warmaster bases :(

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They are 50mm x 20mm -I'm surprised you weren't able to get any Warmaster bases- my GW had a bag or two of them last time I was there- I'm sure you could order some from Mail Order - only ?3 for loads.... :D




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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2003 12:23 am 
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I use the Warmaster stands too and think they look great.  The idea of using 'card' like GW suggested when Epic 40k came out was nuts.  Yeah, it was cheap, but I just can't imagine that they would be sturdy enough to hand a fall off the table and not have their corners get crushed. I am not sure if basing them in any more than three for EpicA is necessary, but who knows what will be in the rulebook.  Maybe expect five as it'll mean you'll have to buy more and make GW some more money.

Hey Legion, I was wondering if anyone had ever mounted five IG motorbikes on a single stand back then. . . when we played, we just couldn't figure out how 5 IG bikes would be mounted on a single stand, while Space Marine and Eldar Jetbikes were singles, and their stats remained almost identical.  I know the IG could dismount, so I probably would do the Rough Riders that way. . . I just seemed like a waste, so we didn't do it.

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2003 1:18 am 
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I mount bikes on 20 x 20 bases 2 per base. In general I have standardised my bases depending on troop type. I did this for 2 reasons one to make types easily recognisable and also to allow me to integrate models into games of DSII as well as Epic. I mount squaddies  on the E40k bases 5 per base while Hvy weapons and command are mounted on 20X20 at 3 figures per base. It looks ok

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