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Rule question - War engines and counter-charge
nealhunt
 Post subject: Rule question - War engines and counter-charge
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:03 pm 
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Quote: (yme-loc @ 30 Jul. 2009, 18:01 )

Just for my own curiosity could someone post the rule that allows the war engine to do this...

It's in the FAQs under 3.2.4.

Q: Can War Engines barge units out of
the way in a Counter Charge?
A: Yes.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:13 pm 
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I don't understand the confusion about fire arcs.

If the weapon has an arc noted, it has an arc.
If the weapon has no arc noted, the default is 360.
Basic attacks are 360.

Apply any arc-restricted hits only to allowable targets, in the same way you'd only apply WECC or WEFF hits to allowable targets.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:17 pm 
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Quote: (nealhunt @ 30 Jul. 2009, 21:03 )

Quote: (yme-loc @ 30 Jul. 2009, 18:01 )

Just for my own curiosity could someone post the rule that allows the war engine to do this...

It's in the FAQs under 3.2.4.

Q: Can War Engines barge units out of
the way in a Counter Charge?
A: Yes.

Yes I am familiar with that FAQ, that wasnt my question, when a war engine makes a counter charge it can indeed barge - I was curious as to which part of the war engine rules allows it to actually make the counter charge in the first place when it is in base contact.

Specifically how does it ignore

1.12.4

Defending units that are not already in base contact with an enemy unit are allowed to counter charge




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nealhunt
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:35 pm 
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The FAQ was written to answer exactly this question.  Just because it doesn't enumerate every possible contradiction individually doesn't mean the meaning is not clear.

If you're looking for a rules lawyer justification, my best shot is that 1.12.4 says all the charge rules apply.  3.3.1 allows WEs to continue charging despite being in base contact, so they get to countercharge despite being in base contact.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:57 pm 
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Quote: (nealhunt @ 30 Jul. 2009, 22:13 )

I don't understand the confusion about fire arcs.

Rules about fire arcs don't speak about assault.
The confusion is there, IMO.

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