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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2003 1:09 am 
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No sweat Tas, all questions welcome. :)

Netepic rules (regardless of version) are based on the original SM/TL. There are of course many changes from those original rules, but there are many similarities. Each version basically builds on the previous versions playtest data.

Heresy is a whole new animal. This game was originally made by Kenneth Peters (own yahoo list owner) and myself as a little project to satisfy our desires for an epic game that covered many more aspects of warfare than GW's epic versions (or netepic for that matter). The mechanics, game concepts and execution is entirely scratch built. We took as inspiration basically every single game out there you can imagine. There a little bit of old epic, new epic, warzone, dirtside, centurion and a whole bunch of others I can't remember. It plays drastically different from other epic versions, but of course it still needs more testing. Since I maintain it pretty much on my own, input tends to change the rules quickly and dramatically. Heresy II includes updated concepts and playtest data to make the game flow easier. The biggest change being in army organization, which is still ongoing.

The updated rules are not available at the epicentre yet, but I can send them to anyone who wants them, or you can get them in the files section of the netepic mailing list (which you need to be a member of).

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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2003 3:35 am 
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Unit activation is the way to go. When you activate a detachment, it moves, shoots, repairs or whatever, based on it's order counter.  It is very smooth and as I said, makes for very good game.  Try it ... and see. :)

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I agree with you Legion4, thats why I used it in Heresy II. We haven't tried making a change like that for netepic though. We have had long discussions on the list regarding how much the basic game design from SM can take before it cracks and that would be a change many on the list seem NOT to want.

In a funny way, besides being the coordinator for netepic, I'm usually the most "liberal" as far as instituting changes. So while outside that list I may seem "unchanging" on the netepic list I'm a heretic...go figure. :;):

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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2003 5:22 pm 
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When it comes to "activation", I'm a rabid heretic !!!  It takes Epic from checkers to chess ...   :D

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Most definately! :D

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I just set down to write up a set of rules that incorporate all the good things I have read in here about Epic, etc etc.  What the hell, I am bored rith now.  I just wrote the Intro, and thought I'd post it.  I am pretty much just going to rip the rules that are good from the rulesbooks as they are, and then tweak them so they fit into a steamlined game.  I'll post bitz and pieces as I go. . .

EPIC REBELLION

INTRODUCTION

Epic Rebellion is a table-top war game based on the series of Games Workshop?s ?Epic? games.  Epic started in 1998 when the game Adeptus Titanicus, designed by Jervis Johnson, was released.  The game took place in the universe Games Workshop developed for its science fiction games known as the Warhammer 40,000 universe.  Adeptus Titanicus took place during a period of that universe?s history known as the Horus Heresy, in which mankind fought a bitter civil war between the Emperor and Warmaster Horus.  The game was played with customizable robots called Titans was an instant hit, and rules for infantry and vehicles followed. New rules for the game collectively appeared in a second box set known as Space Marine, as well as in issues of Games Workshop?s White Dwarf magazine, and in a compliation known as Codex Titanicus, where the system was streamlined.  The roots of this popular gaming system were born, and it still has a hardcore following from older players today.

A few years after Adeptus Titanicus was released, Games Workshop released Epic Space Marine.  While The Adeptus Titanics/Space Marine system (known as AT/SM for short) was very popular, it was also very detailed and games involving a lot of miniatures took a lot of time to resolve.  Epic Space Marine simplified the rules and stats for units, but kept the basics of the system in place.  Several supplements were released expanding an introducing new armies were released, followed a second edition called Titan Legions, which introduced the largest Titans in Epic.  Overall this system (also known as SM/TL) was very popular, and many new miniatures and rules were released for it.

In 1998, Games Workshop revised the entire Epic system and released a new game known as Warhammer Epic 40,000.  Where the previous Epic games focused on single units, Epic 40k attempted to focus on detachments, the effects of firepower, and easy game flow.  It was a huge difference from what many Epic gamers expected and initially Epic 40,000 did not do well.  It did have it?s followers and introduced new concepts to the game, but many players felt the system was too abstract.  The lesson learned was that players seemed to want to fell the game, and play it as it looked on the board, and not have to imagine that there are a lot of other things going on that that couldn?t be seen.  Where the previous editions of Epic seemed to micro-manage forces, Epic 40,000 did the opposite.  Both styles of play have their followers, but one thing is acknowledged: all three Epic systems have their advantages and disadvantages.  Developing a system incorporating the best of all of them could make a great game.

Prayers were almost answered for some games when Games Workshop decided to allow players to help develop the next Epic game system called Epic Armageddon.  As in all the editions following Adeptus Titanicus, players have been split in which way they wanted the game to go.  I guess that it is safe to say that if Epic Armageddon was what this player hoped to see, he wouldn?t be writing this introduction.  Needless to say, while Epic Armageddon does have good qualities, hardcore players of the earlier editions still appreciate the original rules, along with customized rules learned from later editions.  It is safe to say that game systems evolve, and what Epic Rebellion is about is taking the best of what each system has, and incorporating new ideas to make a game that just feels right.

There are several Epic systems developed by players posted on the web, and many forums where they are discussed.  This is the end result of most of those discussions.  You?ll never see any names being credited in these rules, and Games Workshop owns the copyrights to everything involving Epic.  This rulebook is just a collection of previously released rules or fresh ideas everyone liked, to bring an alternative rules set for one of our favorite hobbies.  

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God my grammar and spelling sucks.  :angry:

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Thanks Gandalf- an interesting little read- you have whet my appetite for more..... :D

PS- The grammar isn't that bad.... :;):

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Just reading through these posts, and something strikes me- why has this topic got a date?  ???  -its not an event.....hmm :L

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The starter of this thread just added the date to the post. I tried to edit it, but I'm unable to lose the calendar date! ?:o




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When I started it it seemed to ask for one, so I entered it.  Then I realized it was the only thread to have a date. . . . :{

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Nice Intro Gandalf, if you don't mind I might lift it for my own use, since it explains quite well how Epics traverse through history.

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Thanks bro. No problem, they are just words.  :)

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Ah, but history has taught us that revolutions and rebellions start with mere words...... :;):

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Quote (Gandalf the Grey @ 16 2003 May,10:08)
Thanks bro. No problem, they are just words. ?:)


Didn't you mean to scream out "NO- It's my Intellectual Property??"

Or am I getting you confused with a different Company... :laugh:





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