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Some GOOD news on the future of Epic...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:56 am 
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Heinlein will always be the Grand Master to me.  His stuff was the thing that got me hooked into science fiction (Have Spacesuit, Will Travel :D), and I have been gobbling up anything I can get my grubby paws on since.   :p   As for the film version of Starship troopers, I was crying in the theatre when I saw it, so badly butchered it was.  I also have several copies of the book (one of them is one of the original prints) and have a copy of the AH boxed game.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:32 am 
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Quote (Johnny Rico @ 03 2004 Mar.,03:12)
I've had 5 copies of the book and lent out each one and never had them back.

Welcome to the boards Johnny Rico!
I have lost 3 copies of STroopers under the same circumstances, trying to convert mates to REAL sf :cool:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:51 am 
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Good use of ranged weapons V !  And I say play 40K for a laugh ! :laugh:   And you are correct Mojarn, eventually you have to go toe-to-toe if you're going to capture an objective, but I'm sure you and most will agree, if you use ranged weapons properly, it will be easier because most of the enemy will be KIA/WIA ! :laugh:  And you got that right Rico !  Epic is real wargaming ! }:)  And as Tas and i/drax said  Heinlein is real SF !!!  I still have my copy of the book, but I'm not sure where our copy of the game went !!!?    ???

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 2:07 am 
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Quote (Serps @ 02 2004 Mar.,08:02)
White Scars v2 is up.
http://www.specialist-games.com/epic40k/Vault.htm

(remember to add ".pdf" to the end, they seem to have forgotten the file extension)

I cant seem to d/l it from there...errors out!

Has anyone actually got a Whirescars army for Epic? They seem to eb a useful flank march type formation and a great Ally, but not a balanced whole of force option.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:34 am 
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Not to get too far into it, but I'd say the movie would have made a far better movie if it wasn't titled Starship Troopers, as it wouldn't have made us expect what it obviously wasn't. Verhoeven et. al. approached military government from a fairly satirical PoV, whereas I felt Heinlein was trying to expound on the merits of civil duty through armed service.

At any rate, back to Epic. I must say, all things considered, that it is far more involving than 40k, not to mention cheaper, cooler looking, and generally deeper. So many times have we all thought, in 40K 'oh never mind, rush them' and it works for almost everyone. It's fun, but not as fun. Warmaster too, I just picked up recently. The intro demo I got a few years back bit, but the playing the game as it's meant to be played is also really, really enjoyable.

And Heinlein is THE MAN! The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and Starship Troopers are probably two of my favourite sf novels.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:21 am 
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Quote (Legion 4 @ 03 2004 Mar.,00:51)
Good use of ranged weapons V ! ?And I say play 40K for a laugh ! :laugh: ? And you are correct Mojarn, eventually you have to go toe-to-toe if you're going to capture an objective, but I'm sure you and most will agree, if you use ranged weapons properly, it will be easier because most of the enemy will be KIA/WIA ! :laugh: ?And you got that right Rico ! ?Epic is real wargaming ! }:) ?And as Tas and i/drax said ?Heinlein is real SF !!! ?I still have my copy of the book, but I'm not sure where our copy of the game went !!!? ? ????

Played my first game of 40k 3rd ed the other day, I played 2nd ed a decade ago and enjoyed it.

3rd ed sux... I positioned my entire army on a hill and just blew away the attacking speed freaks, when they finally got into combat my marines just wouldn't die. Then I counter attacked with some assault marines and slaughtered the Orks.

There was no tactics, no nothing, it was a souring experience, V40k all the way!!!! Dawn of Darkness WOOO!!!!

At least you have to manuever and use small scale tactics in those game systems. In DoD we never managed to have a CC yet there was plenty of manuevering going on :).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:27 pm 
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So Tom ... you think 40K suxz !  And you like Epic ...  ???

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Going off topic a bit, but I don't really have a problem with the dominance of CC in 40K. If we had Power Armour and the SM to wear it, we'd be using their tactics. CC breaks units a lot faster than firepower. The rest of the 40K system I do have a problem with (sequence of play, assault move, too many super weapons etc.), but that's for another thread.

As for the White Scars, those bike units seem way over powered to me. 3+ CC, same as an Assault Marine AND +1 attack? I know bikes already have 3+ CC but I always thought they should have 4+, same as regular marines.
A suggestion has been to make them 1st strike instead of extra attack.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:42 am 
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Quote (Agent Brown @ 05 2004 Mar.,22:32)
If we had Power Armour and the SM to wear it, we'd be using their tactics. CC breaks units a lot faster than firepower.

CC also induces more casualties than firepower, a tradeoff that realistically I think anyone would hesitate to make.

While I have not tested the White Scars list (I'm still learning the E:A rules) I do believe that 2 3+ CC attacks for each stand seems a bit overpowering, especially with such a low cost.

Perhaps we should raise their cost accordingly, and give them a discount on other bikes as to show their preference towards them?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:57 am 
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Well, I don't know. I suppose if we regressed socially to the level that the Imperium as a whole is at, then we'd do much the same.


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I have to strongly disagree with all of you - C/C dominates 40K because the kids that play it like it and it sells. ?Firepower has always produced more KIAs then Close Combat weapons from the ACW on. ?If you don't believe me, look it up. ?My previous military career and knowledge of history, weapons and tactics makes your statements inaccurate. ?Troops wear body armor today and rarely ever use a bayonet or knife (I know). ?Most 40K players try to rationalize the C/C dominance of 40K, but in reality it is an argument that has no basis. ?That being said, play 40K and enjoy it, but don't tell me it reflects any eventuality in the real world ... ? :;): ?However, your comments are true within the paradigm of the 40K rules. ?:)

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Quote (Legion 4 @ 06 2004 Mar.,04:57)
I have to strongly disagree with all of you - C/C dominates 40K because the kids that play it like it and it sells. ?Firepower has always produced more KIAs then Close Combat weapons from the ACW on. ?If you don't believe me, look it up. ?My previous military career and knowledge of history, weapons and tactics makes your statements inaccurate. ?Troops wear body armor today and rarely ever use a bayonet or knife (I know). ?Most 40K players try to rationalize the C/C dominance of 40K, but in reality it is an argument that has no basis. ?That being said, play 40K and enjoy it, but don't tell me it reflects any eventuality in the real world ... ? :;): ?However, your comments are true within the paradigm of the 40K rules. ?:)


I agree that while firepower causes more casualties, an assault is the most effective method to clear an area of the enemy.
Of course, since the mass introduction of firearms, an assault is really a close range firefight with any hand-to-hand fighting being very rare and the IG in 40K and EpicA are a good example of this style. I should have made this clearer in my original post.
Genetically engineered supermen with near invulnerable armour would be a bit more 'gung-ho' in their approach and make a more direct use of their physical advantages over us mere mortals. ?
40K does not mirror current military tactics and doctrines as it has to cater for these supermen and other equally formidable creatures. This is not my problem with it. It is the system itself I don't like much and EpicA has been a breath of fresh air.
However, apart from two years as an Army Cadet in the UK, I have no military experience and bow to your knowledge. Nothing worse for a military man than an armchair general, so I've heard. :D

Back to White Scars, even a First Strike seems too much and now simply giving them the Walker ability to represent their years in the saddle seems enough to me.


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I see ... you clarified your point and I agree with you, for the most part. And I didn't mean to be insulting or pompus.  And yes E:A is very refreshing especially when compared to 40K.  But even "Gung Ho" types - Paras, Rangers, Marines, etc. (I know because I fell into that category, along time ago) will use fire power both indirect and organic to take an objective (ie: kill the enemy).  And it is much, much easier to draw down on a target and service it with a ranged weapon then it is to stick it with a blade or beat it to death with a blunt object ... regardless of what is seen on T.V. or in a 40K game.   And I'm in an armchair now with a wireless keyboard, so I may fall into the "Armchair Captain" category !  :laugh:

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Hi!

Warfare has been a constant change from close up and personal to far away and impersonal. In ancient times there was no better way  to slay the enemy than come up close and stick your sword in him. As arrows got better, then stand and shoot became dominant. In response better armor was made, but gunpowder has made armor obsolete. The trend has continued until today, but armor is making a comeback, as technology increases and better materials are made who knows that we may come back to the days of close and personal and sticking swords (or power swords) into somebody is the quickest most efficient way of combat.

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Well, not that sci-fi has ever been a great source of technological wisdom, and I definately see where you're coming from, L4, and would more or less agree - I can't see anyone (well, very few people) today who would run in with a knife over shooting any kind of firearm.

But I'd say that it's partially due to the fact that armour doesn't effectively protect against firearms (well, it might, and if it does, then my argument is half moot), and that firearms aren't disdained as a weapon of war.
So two factors would need to arise: a) that armour is able to protect against firearms, and b) that close combat is once more seen as the ultimate expression of prowess and honour and suchlike. The latter is pretty much true in the 40k world, especially in terms of the Space Marines and their opponents of similar levels, and I would say, in that world, the former is also true.

It also brings to mind Dune, wherein laser weapons would react with energy shields to cause massive explosions, and I think prjectiles moving at high enough speeds would be stopped by the shields, and so one had to use hand weapons to duel with opponents. Now, as I said, sci-fi isn't necessarily an indicator of how things will be, and I think that unless we find some vastly more efficient way of armouring someone effectively against firearms, few people are going to rush in to use swords any time soon.


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