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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!!  Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:36 pm |
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:53 pm |
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Isn't the point that if you have an enemy formation in front of you, and you want to shoot it, you should choose sustained fire yourself?
Choosing overwatch orders should not be a solution for the problem that you can't make your mind up when it's your turn to move - "Do I shoot at these Orks now, or hope that a more juicy target presents itself later?" being the kind of indecision that makes a recipe for miltary disaster, as it confuses your own troops on the ground.
It may well be that JJ didn't *want* people hedging their bets in this way. "Shoot now, or risk losing the chance altogether" being the lesson.
Perhaps we're in danger of getting confused because of the number of games in the past where Overwatch and Sustained Fire have sought to achieve the same ends? In E:A, Sustained Fire is all about having your lads pour as much fire into the enemy over there *right now*; whereas Overwatch has them ignoring that lot over there, and instead pointing their guns somewhere else in the *hope* of getting the drop on some other guys you think might be moving in the next 15 minutes.
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:02 pm |
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As the commander on the ground, you have to make that decision. That is one reason why I like Epic ... it's more like chess, where say 40K is more like checkers ! Both good games in the own right, but I won't be playing checkers anytime soon ! 
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:37 pm |
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Gotta agree with whats been said. If the target is alreaday in range and LOS don't go on overwatch, go on sustained fire (or whatever action you prefer to attack the target), but not overwatch.
Overwatch is meant to sit and wait to shoot at targets that entre your range and LOS, that were not in range and LOS at the time you choose the overwatch action. eg there are some nasty skimmers on the other side of a ridge ready to do pop-up attacks on your formation. Then go onto overwatch, forcing your opponenet to either accept the OW fire from your units or not attack the formation on OW.
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Tas
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:17 pm |
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As the commander on the ground, you have to make that decision |
This is the heart of the matter, and why wargaming is a challenge (and fun!). IMHO a good set rules emphasises this and all else supports the resolution of the decision.
Back OT though, another option is to pound the target with something else and see which way he jumps- you may seriously diminish the threat posed (through casualties or BMs) and open up other options.
As any grunt will tell you- when in doubt call in fire support!
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primarch
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:52 pm |
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Hi!
For me "overwatch" or reaction fire is a mechanism to eliminate movement with "impunity". In game systems where the action sequence is "integrated" you run the risk of have very unrealistic movement since the other player can't do anything to restrict you.
Overwatch or its equivalent makes movement "risky" its not a given, it has danger. Thats were the tactics come in and makes it interesting. Overwatch fire can impose different penalties on the target. Casualties is one, but there are others like stopping movement or causing morale checks (some of these more effective than just casualties).
So it depends what your particular philosophy is regarding this mechanic. Pick what you want it to do and modify accordingly.
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:25 am |
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A good set of rules will allow Grunts to "call-in" supporting fires on a target out of range of his element's organic weapons.
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:36 am |
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I don't understand the logic of suppressing only the units that are capable of shooting with blast markers. Why, if the whold formation being shot at, wouldnt ALL the units in the formation be suseptable to suppressing fire?
my 1 question,
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:45 am |
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Because then you get people supressing units like reloading manticores, which seems kind of unfair because they're getting around the negative effects of the blastmarker by sacrificing shots they couldn't take anyway.
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:21 am |
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Well, my group will probably stick with the E40k style system of suppression, because it is simpler to use. Having to figure out which units can fire, then which ones are suppressed is a pain, IMHO.
my 2cents,
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:46 am |
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Always do what works for you ! I don't really like the way E:A uses mix dets, either. We never intended to play E:A "by the book", only take what we like and add it to our "Hybrid" rules. And as I said we have been using activation since SM1 in '90. And we normally don't use mixed dets, except with Grunts in transports, of course. So my point always is - if you don't like it - fix it ! 
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:16 am |
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This was a response to someone asking how well Epic was doing. It's a positive sign for our hobby.
Take Care
The miniatures have sold well in Europe. What I was told - and bear in mind this is anecdotal information, as I haven't seen any sales figures yet - is that sales of the miniatures were 400% up on forecast. Which is nice
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Jervis Johnson
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:20 am |
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Hi!
I hope and prey they dont get too cocky and start over blowing production, we need small production runs that sell out to make epic look good!
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:48 am |
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Let's hope they learned their lessons from the E40K marketing fiasco ... 
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Post subject: Epic Index Astartes!!! Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:33 am |
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400% loooks very promising ideed. It is hard to keep pessimistic but i stilll try to reserve judgement until february next year. 
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