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Post subject: updated lists in vault  Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:05 pm |
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| Quote (Jackhammer @ 08 2004 Jan.,12:59) | | They choose to charge relatively high prices for their products |
This is true but compare them to competing 6mm Sci Fi figure lines.
You pay more but the figures are much better.
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:06 am |
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Hi!
Problem is there are NO real competing lines. No one else makes plastic 6mm sprues for sci-fi. So there's no real comarison in regards to that.
In regards to metal, only a handful of companies even make 6mm. Ground zero games makes some for their Dirstide game. I use them as proxies and their quaility I'd say is pretty good. Alternative armies makes some 6mm stuff Maksim showed some pictures of and they looked very good too. Monday knight productions carries the MAATAC line of vehicles which I think are very good as well. All pretty cheap for good quality.
This is not mentioning games like CAV, Battletech or Ogre that have models that could be used as epic proxies and are of very good quaility. Gw used to have undisputed dominance in the "quaility" department, but alternatives have also raised theirs enough to compare favorably.
Its also true however, that the cost of the alternative lines has gone up. So the actual ratio of cost versus quality are IMO all very similar.
Gw's epic has the still uncontested edge in having a very large and varied selection of 6mm miniatures (or will have once the releases kick in...). From infantry to titans. No one else can come close in this department and herein lies their forte. Lots of other companies make good vehicle proxies, but very few make good infantry ones and less so specialty vehicles that could compare to titans. Only GW has a little bit of everything.
What is perhaps interesting is that no other company has decided to "tap" the 6mm market, especially after epic 40k hit rockbottom. Its STILL, even with all of epic's ups and downs, GW's market to exploit.
I hope they do put 6mm sci-fi gaming back on the map....and the tabletop.
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:21 am |
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About the love/hate thing, it's not at all strange. I love the game setting. I hate the attitude. And, I must admit, the prices. While the quality of the minis IS good it's not so good as to warrant outrageous prices. Fortunately, I have a large stock so I don't have to buy anything in order to play.
As for the attitude, I would think _nobody_ liked the "We are the only one there is. There are no others worth noting. We know everything best. This is OUR hobby." line. At least I don't. But I must also point out that IMO the specialist games have a markedly different streak from the "mainstream GW" in the attitude respect, which is good.
And then there are the marketing tactics Primarch already mentioned.
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:59 am |
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| Quote (Jackhammer @ 09 2004 Jan.,05:59) | | Anyway, without them a whole series of great games wouldn't have been released |
Thanks Jackhammer, an oft overlooked fact. Without them in the firstplace we wouldn't have and enjoy...
...Epic...
...its too horrible to contemplate! 
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:40 pm |
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| Quote (Mojarn Piett @ 08 2004 Jan.,23:21) | | As for the attitude, I would think _nobody_ liked the "We are the only one there is. There are no others worth noting. We know everything best. This is OUR hobby." line. |
I've never run into it so I really couldn't say.
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:06 am |
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I've seen it, not recently though. I think Confrontation & War Machine knocked a few store people off their high horses.
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:41 am |
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Hi!
I've seen it, not recently though. I think Confrontation & War Machine knocked a few store people off their high horses.
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So true Serps. Conversing woth some friends in the US, these two games are making good headway in some regions and its most GW fans who are jumping in to play those games.
Competition is a alive and well.
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:31 pm |
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For those who didn't already know, there are now updated lists for Feral Orks, Black Templars and Biel-Tan in the playtesters vault. The SG page doesn't say it's been updated, but it has. 
Anywho, thoughts on any of them?
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:33 pm |
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Just having a look at the Black Templars list now.
Thunderhawk Annihilator - Nice! Basically a flying titan killer with no transport capacity.
Cheers
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:35 pm |
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Well I just ordered my semi-final shipment of Orks, I will finally have a complete army, no more warmaster proxies. This army will of course have to be expanded, but that will come later. In the mean time I need to start a second army. My gaming group is not large and the number of people with the time/money and/or inclination to build up an army is even smaller. So I need a second army to lend to other players.
So, I am trying to figure out which other army to use. I have narrowed it down to 2 armies: the IG and the Eldar. Both have their pluses and minuses. On the plus side the IG are a simple and easy to understand army that is also well balanced. On the minus side I dont really want to paint them.
For the Eldar, the more I look at the Eldar minis the more I want to paint them. They could be a very colorful army. They are also easy to win with, apparently, a good bonus when introducing someone to the game. However, the Eldar also have lots of special rules that might be hard for a newbie to remember. Then there is a balance issue, I have an opponent who is building an SM army and I would not want to obliterate him and win with an army list rather than skill, should I wish to take the Eldar army for a change of pace. Finally I find the Beil-Tan army list to be counter to fluff, or at least my idea of the Eldar. Hmm, maybe making my own fan list would fix this problem.. I'll have to think about this some more...
Anyways, anyone have any suggestions to help with my delema?
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:44 pm |
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There are other Eldar lists in development, I heard Ulthwe is being sent in for final approval. I'd go with Eldar and collect an army built to suit your idea of Eldar, effectiveness be damned. 
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:45 pm |
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Orks versus Imperial Guard is a classic match-up. I would choose the IG.
Making a fan list could work. But wouldn't a new player be more comfortable using a well proven list?
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:58 pm |
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Squared, first of all, a hearty welcome!
There is no rule that says you have to paint all of your minis. Most of mine are still unpainted and I've been playing epic since its inception. I would go with IG for the reasons you mention, easy for a newbie to learn and its a well balanced army.
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:43 pm |
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Oh yeah, hello forum folk.
First off, yes I do have to paint the army: personal rule.
Secondly the fan list would be for me to play. I don't mind playing against a powerful army, I just do not like to win because of my army. My opponent can pick what ever army list he wants, just so long as I have the models.
Oh and I agree with clauswitz. That match up is classic and is the reason why I have not yet decided.
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Post subject: updated lists in vault Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:50 pm |
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Good job Squared, I have the same rule! I simply -cannot- feild a unit in my army that hasn't been painted now, it just looks horrible and more often then not I'll make sure it's the first casuality so I can send it's offending self back to my case as soon as possible.
Both the IG and the Eldar are extremely good armies. The IG are my most feared enemy as an Eldar player. They have artillery, large infantry formations, large tank formations and a good amount of upgrades.
The Eldar are an absolute joy to play. They're beautiful, extremely versatile in that you've got SO many choices at your disposal and you'll never get bored of them as a result. However, they are a punishing army to come back from should you make tactical blunders.
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