Hello all,

I am a new player and need some advice in constructing this army. I have also never played WH 40k, so I really don't know a lot about the whole story. It just looks like a great game to me. I am using the E:A rulebook from Games Workshop and the Epik UK Chaos Codex (v. 090710) to put together my army. One problem I am having right now is determining the correct stats for my Emperor's Children units. There is a section for Emperor's Children in there and that is fine for most units, but it does not have some vital unit data that I need, such as Noise Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Dreadnaughts, Land Raiders, Rhinos, daemons and greater daemons. Does anyone know if I am supposed to just use the Black Legion Chaos stats for those? I don't want to miss out on any special rules or differing stats specifically for Emperor's Children units.

Oh, and as far as painting goes, should I paint the support Chaos Space Marines in the pink/black EC colors too, or pick one of the other legions' colors for those?

Kindest regards,
Brian

Welcome to the boards!

I'd paint them all pink and black. Technically, the Emperor's Children are all supposed to be Noise Marines, but no one's likely to complain and the Emperor's children scheme is neat. On the other hand, painting a few different schemes might be more fun for you.

Regarding the stats, they should be the same as the Black Legion ones. I think.

Where are you, if I may pry. There's probably some local fellows around if you're in the UK.

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Yes, as a space saver and to ensure that there are not any copy and paste errors unit information is only in one spot. So general units are in the BL list whilst army specific are in the Cult army lists. A pain I know but that's life.

Hey Brian! Welcome aboard!
You might want to check out the Compendium here. There's an existing Emperors Children list with units already stat'd out for you so you can focus on the fun stuff instead of list building. I'm looking to see some EC love soon, they were my first Epic army back in the first edition days!

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@Simulated Knave: Thanks for the tips. The reason why I was asking about painting the Chaos Marines, specifically, is because they are a support formation and not a core formation. I have two retinues of Noise Marines and Havocs for my core. If they are support, I wasn't sure if they came from the Black Legion (or other) or not, seeing as though they are not yet fully corrupted (per fluff). The other reason I asked is because I wanted to do a Black Legion army next and would have one formation already painted. LOL. Oh, I live in San Diego, CA, US.

@Tiny Tim: Thanks. I figured that must be why but wanted to be sure.

@Jimmy: Thank you. The only problem with that compendium is that it's for NetEA and I am using Epic UK. They are not the same I guess.

So, I have a couple more questions about the army.

#1: If you take the Black Legion force, do you get access to all or some of the different cult's daemons and formations?

#2: It says that any faction can take Daemonic Beasts, yet I don't see them as an option anywhere or the point cost for them. Am I missing something there? I have 4 stands of them primed right now and was hoping to use them.

#3: It looks like it is better to spread the characters (Lord, Champ, Icon Bearer) over three stands to spread out Invulnerable Save. I already based my Icon Bearers with my Lords, not realising they would get fearless when attached to Noise Marines or Terminator units. Is it worth it to rip them out of basing material and rebase?

#4: Should I put my Demon Prince with the Terminators to have them all Teleport together, or is there a better way to use the Demon Prince?

#5: With such a lack of support for Chaos on GW's website, how do I get ahold of Defilers and Daemon Knights for my army? It looks like I can find just about everything else for this army, except those two units.

#6: The army builder here http://traitor-legion.appspot.com/ lets me take more than 4 upgrades per formation. Are there certain upgrades that do not count against the four allowed or is the army builder not validating those rules correctly?

#7: How good are dreadnaughts? It seems like everytime I want to take them, there is a reason not to. For example, they don't teleport, so a no-go for the Terminators. They can't be transported, so a no-go for the Noise Marines, as they move to slow. Anyway, I have six of them based and primed, but don't know what to do with them. They were given to me from a good friend, so they didn't cost me anything at least.

Let me try to help you out here

Unfortunately not, by restricting yourself to a cult list you lose some options but gain these goodies instead.

They are lesser daemons so for the EC instead of summoning Daemonettes you can summon Daemonic Beasts if you wish.

Up to you really. I'd play some test games first and see if you want to spend the points on additional characters or not first. You can always follow the example of some of the guys here and magnatise your characters to swop them around.

I like to have a DP in with my terminators if I have the points, again this is a do what works for you type situation, try it and see how you feel.

Defilers - Scratch built them yourself nowerdays, there are some very good tutorials from a couple of years back on this site.
Daemon Knights - Either ebay (very expensive) or scratch build again, I've used the bottom half of 40k/fantasy Daemonettes with the modified old Eldar Heavy/Support weapons on the top.

Not sure as I use my own excel sheet, but you only get four choices and that is it. It forces you to choose which way you want to go with the list and doesn't let you have everything.

Garrison with the Noise Marines and you have something for the marines to sit on claim cover from. Also they give CC options for the formation & can act as shot stopper before hits are placed on your attached Defiler.

Hope this helps.

It depends on how many Chaos armies you're building and the amount of spare Infantry stands you have.
If your building a few armies and don't have many spare infantry stands then paint them as you would for your basic Black Legion army. They can then be used for all other Cult Chaos lists as well as the Black Legion army.
If you have plenty of spare models then paint them similar to your Cult list.
For my Emperors Children I have 2 formations painted pink/purple but with black shoulder pads to count as Chaos Marines. These are similar enough to my Noise marine stands to count as Noise marines if we play bigger games and different enough to be plain Chaos marines if I want.

Yea, Dave even has 'Royal Blue' Blood Angels

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Pretty sure they're Emperor's Children, maddoctor.

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They need more pink!

Nice old school banner.

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They are painted as a Night Lords style warband but the nearest list I can find that suits the theme and is legal at tournaments is the EpicUK Blood Angels list.

And I'm sticking to that excuse .

If I do use a Daemon Prince I usually have it as the Supreme Commander and in the Break Their Spirit formation (I like it there in other chaos lists too, most don't like having the Supreme Commander as the BTS but I think it's fluffy). This means the opponent has to actually kill the Prince to get BTS (it is tough and fearless even in Black Legion armies).



They are also good in dreadclaw drop pod formations, they help to boost numbers and MW/normal attacks etc. in engagements.

Yes, old school Emperor's Children ... and that is a tactical color - IDF Desert Pink ... not Limp Wrist Pink !!! LOL !!!!

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