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jfrazell
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Post subject: testing V 1.6 - proposed list  Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:09 pm |
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This proposed list is meant to simulate a Sam Hain list as best as possible under BT to test the BT proposed changes. Normally at 3000 points I run a formation with night wings, two fire prism formations, a cherried out jet bike formation, 3 midlevel viper formations; a falcon formation (with firestorms); and 3 guardian formations. I self limit initiative to 2 for all formations. While thinking about just modifying the above list I am looking to try to do a BT version as close as possible.
Comments would be appreciated.
Notes:
1) Tau player. he will have lots of aircraft. We always have lots of aircraft in our games.
2) Generally I feel the need for speed. Going below 30cm makes me sad although I may playtest
suggestions to see their impact with the new rules.
3) I love tapping an enemy formation with a viper unit and then bringing another unit in to FF, followed by another consolidation and firefight if possible. I love guardians for this. The farseer/guardian combo will be helpful in that regard as Sam Hain has them in the jet bike squads.
4) While I have the two scorpions I don't count on war engines and frequently don't field them.
5) I have gobs of falcons; two cobras; and can proxy in a wave of guardians or other aspects (would have to be the same aspects to avoid confusion). We can even proxy titans should we decide to test those.
test biel tan list
350 guardians 7 guardians 1 farseer 4 wave serpents
350 guardians 7 guardians 1 farseer 4 wave serpents
350 guardians 7 guardians 1 farseer 4 wave serpents
350 guardians 7 guardians 1 farseer 4 wave serpents
200 SOV: 2 falcons, 2 firestorms
250 SOV: 2 firestorms, 2 fireprisms
500 2 scorpions
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
3000
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Chroma
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Post subject: testing V 1.6 - proposed list Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:15 pm |
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Might I suggest dropping a Guardian Warhost and adding a Shining Spears Warhost? Gets you a 1+ activation formation and, with juggling you can get an Autarch in there for the Supreme Commander re-roll.
And, perhaps, try to find a way to get a Wraithgate in there: one formation doubles to place a Blast marker/get in support range and then another jets out of the 'Gate to engage and destroy.
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Ginger
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Post subject: testing V 1.6 - proposed list Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:51 pm |
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I think your maths is a bit optimistic, (total is 3350), so I presume you got over-enthusiastic copying guardian warhosts. 
Because of your preference for bikes, I have converted one Guardian formation to a Shining Spear Warhost + Exarchs (to check out that particular change)
So, here are two alternatives, using either beefed up Guardians, or 2x Aspect Troupes. Either way, the final 50 points could either be used on an extra Falcon or a Wraithgate (in which case I would consider converting one of the EoV Scorpions to a Storm Serpent for a second portal - I just love Storm Serpent assaults).
Option a)
500 Guardians 5 guardians, 2 Wraithguards, 1 farseer, 5 wave serpents ? ------ BTS Goal
350 Guardians 7 guardians 1 farseer 4 wave serpents
350 Shining Spear Warhost + 2x Exarch
200 SOV: 2 falcons, 2 firestorms
250 SOV: 2 fireprisms, 2 firestorms
250 1 Scorpion
250 1 Scorpion (or 1 Storm Serpent)
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
2950
Option b)
350 Guardians 7 guardians 1 farseer 4 wave serpents
350 Guardians 7 guardians 1 farseer 4 wave serpents
350 Shining Spear Warhost + 2x Exarch
200 SOV: 2 falcons, 2 firestorms
250 SOV: 2 fireprisms, 2 firestorms
500 2 Scorpion (or 1 Scorp + 1x Storm Serpent) ------- BTS Goal
175 Aspect troupe + 2x Wave Serpents
175 Aspect troupe + 2x Wave Serpents
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
2950
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jfrazell
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Post subject: testing V 1.6 - proposed list Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:33 pm |
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Good catch there. Will think about a shining spear option.
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Markconz
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Post subject: testing V 1.6 - proposed list Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:17 pm |
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Yes - definitely try and get an Autarch in there.
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Tactica
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Post subject: testing V 1.6 - proposed list Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:22 pm |
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Ginger's option B is my favored amongst what is presented. I like the influence of the aspect troups.
I think the storm serpent charge is something you'd want to explore. Using the terrain for pop-ups should protect your single formation so scorpion. You may even explore the more aggressive play requirements of the Cobra but adding more AA to your game. Its devistating troup busting capabilities as well as Scorpionfish busting could be quite handy.
I'm a big fan of the SoV formation and I might try to exploit that a bit more in your list, but with the goal in mind, I think you'll have plenty of bikes to get the job done.
Since you are looking at Tau, you may even try to work in an air assault or the gated assault from storm serpent as others have suggested. Getting rid of the Tau AA and getting to grips with air assault always leaves a mark.
Looking forward to the batrep.
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Ginger
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Post subject: testing V 1.6 - proposed list Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:45 am |
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To follow Croma and Markconz suggestion, you could also consider adding the spare 50 points to the Shining Spears and having an Autarch instead of 2x Exarch
Cheers
Ginger
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jfrazell
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Post subject: testing V 1.6 - proposed list Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:07 pm |
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thanks guys.
Assuming I can take autarchs with the shining spears this is what i shall be fielding. ?I beleive the proopsed rules potentially break the Shining spears into two formations of 4 each but I'm keeping the larger formation just to test 9as have nver played with them and the autarch before). ?Will be applying all proposed changes. ?It should be a good test for the bikes, pulse for fireprism stats, ?and the new engine formations.
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375 shining spear 8 shining spears 1 autarch
350 guardians 7 guardians 1 farseer 4 WS
350 guardians 7 guardians 1 farseer 4 WS
300 SOV: 4 falcons, 2 firestorms
325 SOV: 2 firestorms, 3 fireprisms
500 2 scorpions
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
200 windriders 6 bikes or vipers
3000
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