It does look a bit odd in terms of balance, at least internally:
6 biel tan jetbikes are worth 200
6 jetbikes and 1 wild rider plus Expert Rider are 250
6 jetbikes plus Expert Rider plus Scout are worth 175

The saim hann versions are significantly better (better armour, being able to garrison and other scout benefits) AND cheaper, but also compared to the wild rider formation it looks significantly better value.

Let's say it's 25 points for an activation, which puts a scouting expert rider jetbike at 25 points. Take away scout and add a wild rider and you spend 75 points more... OK it's comparing a core formation with a 0-1 restricted formation, but the difference shouldn't be that big. To be honest I think an expert rider troupe could be worth 200 even without scout (bearing in mind they are probably ever so slightly overcosted in the biel tan list). However it would be nice to have a decent priced scout unit
in the list so maybe drop the numbers down to 5?

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Had another game vs Tiny-Tim's Saim-Hann tonight with codex marines, in this game and the previous games the expert rider rule has swung it in T-T's favour. I think it's unnecessary maybe restrict it to wild riders only, most formations have a fairly decent save anyhow and having a invulnerable save is too good.

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I actually misread this as increasing scout formations as in the infantry in my moment of stupidity.
Ignore my original post.

Test game video can be seen here.

Game was a 2-0 win to Saim-Hamm vs Space Marines.

I would like to see the Hornets changes to 5 for 250pts, Scout Riders increased to 200pts.

In this game we forgot to use the Invulnerable Save on the Jetbikes & Vipers and it didn't make a difference.

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Awesome battle report! Looks like the Marines did very well but just couldn't quite shut them down in the last turn. amazed that the speeders won that assault in turn three.

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Great report! Thanks for doing it!

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Hi

PFE100 is still currently watching the thread.

thanks for the games and feedback.

PFE100 is currently reviewing concerns that have been raise.

thank you for reading......

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Further battle report here.

The Invulnerable Save was the difference between a Saim-Hann win and the Marines winning.

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Another baterp found here:
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=31232&p=590413#p590413

Cheers

Mic

I have remove the PDF from thread, since they are now approved and in the TP ..

Link to say they are approved

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=31548

Link to TP..

http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/

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