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[Ulthwé] Potential Swooping Hawk/Aspect Warrior Abuse
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Author:  Chroma [ Sun May 23, 2010 9:30 pm ]
Post subject:  [Ulthwé] Potential Swooping Hawk/Aspect Warrior Abuse
As previously mentioned, I'd like to remove the "Path Less Taken" special rule from the Ulthwé list and just consider it subsumed by the the "2 Troupes per 1 Warhost" restriction; of course, this now alllows more Aspect Warriors to be taken and some concern has been raised about the possiblity of "Swooping Hawk spam".

So, could people try putting together potentially abusive lists using many Aspect Warriors or even just Swooping Hawks in particular?

I've put together two lists I hope to try out soon, comments on them would also be appreciated.
Author:  Chroma [ Sun May 23, 2010 9:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [Ulthwé] Potential Swooping Hawk/Aspect Warrior Abuse
b]Ulthwé Swooping Hawk Army Test 1[/b] - 3000 Points

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Wraithgate

Black Guardian Warhost
1 Farseer
1 Seer Coucil
3 Guardians
3 Heavy Weapons Platforms

Guardian Warhost 1 – (BTS Target)
1 Farseer
3 Heavy Weapons Platforms
4 Guardians
3 Support Platforms
3 Wraithguard

Guardian Warhost 2
1 Farseer
3 Heavy Weapons Platforms
4 Guardians

Guardian Warhost 3
1 Farseer
3 Heavy Weapons Platforms
4 Guardians

Aspect Troupe 1
4 Swooping Hawks
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Aspect Troupe 2
4 Swooping Hawks
Exarch

Aspect Troupe 3
4 Swooping Hawks
Exarch

Aspect Troupe 4
4 Swooping Hawks
Exarch

Windrider Troupe 1
2 Vypers
4 Jetbikes

Windrider Troupe 2
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4 Jetbikes

Swords of Vaul 1
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2 Firestroms

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Author:  Chroma [ Sun May 23, 2010 9:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [Ulthwé] Potential Swooping Hawk/Aspect Warrior Abuse
Ulthwé Swooping Hawk Army Test 2 - 3000 Points

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Wraithgate

Black Guardian Warhost
1 Farseer
1 Seer Coucil
3 Guardians
3 Heavy Weapons Platforms

Guardian Warhost 1
1 Farseer
3 Heavy Weapons Platforms
4 Guardians
3 Support Platforms
3 Wraithguard

Guardian Warhost 2
1 Farseer
3 Heavy Weapons Platforms
4 Guardians

Aspect Troupe 1
4 Swooping Hawks
Exarch

Aspect Troupe 2
4 Swooping Hawks
Exarch

Aspect Troupe 3
4 Swooping Hawks
Exarch

Aspect Troupe 4
4 Swooping Hawks
Exarch

Aspect Troupe 5
4 Swooping Hawks
Exarch

Aspect Troupe 6
4 Swooping Hawks
Exarch

Revenant Titans – (BTS Target)
2 Revenant Titans

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Author:  mattthemuppet [ Tue May 25, 2010 9:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [Ulthwé] Potential Swooping Hawk/Aspect Warrior Abuse
I think that, like most extreme lists, they'd be nasty against some armies and completely useless against others. A decent castling strategy with a modicum of fast objective claiming units should be able to hold either off, though the revenants would be moderately worrying (though at the cost of air cover). It would only take a bit of shooting to hobble the army, though admittedly the Aspects will help here as they'll be activating on 2+ with BM rather than 3+. Still, I wouldn't expect either to do well at a tournament for eg.
Look forward to the batreps!
Author:  clausewitz [ Wed May 26, 2010 12:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [Ulthwé] Potential Swooping Hawk/Aspect Warrior Abuse
Either of those lists should be a good test of the concept IMO Chroma.

The swooping hawk troupes seem to offer two possible strategies.

1. Turn 2 teleports to maximise a start of turn 2 "triple activation of doom". By teleporting all the SH down in position to pin/support the critical assaults. Adding 16 units "just where you need them" to win the assaults and/or isolate enemy formations from retaliating.

2. Turn 3 teleports to capture/contest objectives. Either by hiding them all, leaving 4 very fast formations that can move to any objective, or by placing them to prevent enemy movement to objectives.

If the enemy is aggressive and expansive then option 1 is most likely the best idea. If the enemy castles up then option 2 is probably better.

Teleporting scouts should be very good at pinning enemy formations in place so that most assaults can be the "worst" kind of clipping attack.

I figure that would work well against any army that plays with its formations on the board and with lesser SR than Eldar.

Against something like Necrons it probably won't work as they have so much held off-board and it just isn't possible to prevent their kind of special movement (portals).

Against air-cav SM it will also be tricky as getting off a triple activation at the start of the turn will be harder (SR), and a great deal of the SM points will be in off-board units.

Also the SH list will likely struggle against AMTL, for obvious reasons.

In all those cases though I imagine that the Eldar would still be in the game via option 2, at least as far as turn 3 objectives goes.

[Yes, this is a repost of what I wrote in the batrep thread that started this discussion, in case anyone reads this thread without reading the other one.]
Author:  mattthemuppet [ Wed May 26, 2010 3:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [Ulthwé] Potential Swooping Hawk/Aspect Warrior Abuse
clausewitz wrote:
[Yes, this is a repost of what I wrote in the batrep thread that started this discussion, in case anyone reads this thread without reading the other one.]


I thought I'd read that somewhere before!

As always, the proof is in the pudding and I don't think there's a better Eldar pudding maker than Chroma :)
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