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Author:  pyrrhus17 [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:19 pm ]
Post subject:  autarch exarch placement
I noticed as a newbie that some of you place exarchs/autarch's with certain units (say a banshee unit) and have it mix with other types of stands firedragons etcetc has anybody thought that this was unfair or unsportsman like ? I see most newbies using only one type of aspect warrior in their warbands
Author:  Spectrar Ghost [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
Not really. Each formation is roughly equivalant to a 40k army, and there are no restrictions about single aspect armies there. Place your Autarch/Exarch where he can do the most good.

For me that means two Dark Reaper Exarchs and 6 Dire Avengers. Reapers add ranged firepower, and the extra Exarch attack applies to the 3+FF.

Mixing aspects also makes the formation more flexible, as each type has a niche thay do less well outside of.
Author:  Chroma [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
You are free to mix and match any Aspect Warrior types in a formation as you like, there's nothing "unsportsmanlike" about it, it's a purposely designed option!

I tend to like to go with a 3-3-2 setup, so, perhaps 3 Dire Avengers, 3 Fire Dragons, and 2 Dark Reapers for a shooty/firefight formation.

Or 3 Striking Scorpions, 3 Dire Avengers, and 2 Shining Spears. Lots of combos to suit your needs!
Author:  Kealios [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
Chroma wrote:
Or 3 Striking Scorpions, 3 Dire Avengers, and 2 Shining Spears. Lots of combos to suit your needs!


How do you deploy such a unit? Just use it as a 30cm assault from a Storm Serpent? The Shining Spears would have the speed to base the enemy with the others providing FF? I'd think the Spears would work better with units other than Scorpions or other slower CC units.
Author:  pyrrhus17 [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
I was thinking of exarchs of banshees +2 first strike with a +1 mw attack with firedragons (yes fighting the chaos and legions ) to help with the RA
Author:  Spectrar Ghost [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
Kealios wrote:
Chroma wrote:
Or 3 Striking Scorpions, 3 Dire Avengers, and 2 Shining Spears. Lots of combos to suit your needs!


How do you deploy such a unit? Just use it as a 30cm assault from a Storm Serpent? The Shining Spears would have the speed to base the enemy with the others providing FF? I'd think the Spears would work better with units other than Scorpions or other slower CC units.


Pop 3 Wave Serpents in the formation. The speeds are all 35cm at that point.

pyrrhus17 wrote:
I was thinking of exarchs of banshees +2 first strike with a +1 mw attack with firedragons (yes fighting the chaos and legions ) to help with the RA


The Exarch EA+1 on the Fire Dragons is NOT MW. Only the base attack. Therefore, a FD Exarch gets 1x 4+ and 1x 4+MW FF attacks.
Author:  Chroma [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
Spectrar Ghost wrote:
Pop 3 Wave Serpents in the formation. The speeds are all 35cm at that point.

Yep, that's the usual way.
Author:  pyrrhus17 [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
No I was thinking Banshee Exarchs EA+1 MW troop base is first strike +2 so an exach banshee would be one first strike +2 mw atack and another first strike +2 attack add these two exarchs to any bunch
Author:  zombocom [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
Nope, banshee exarchs don't get first strike on their extra attack, as it's a weapon ability on banshees, not a unit ability.

Oddly, warp spider exarchs do, as it's a unit ability for them.
Author:  AxelFendersson [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
Also, the Exarch's extra attack is not a Macro Weapon. That's an error in the document (the change was considered but rejected in this thread).

An Autarch adds a MW in close combat, but an Exarch does not.
Author:  Chroma [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
pyrrhus17 wrote:
first strike +2


I *think* you mean "first strike 2+" here... not "+2".
Author:  pyrrhus17 [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
Yeah not the greatest typist haha . I would have thought that more people would be taking banshee exarchs. Any advice for combos against chaos obliterators with termys or chaos marines ? I will be facing these often . Thanks Guys !!! :)
Author:  Morgan Vening [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
pyrrhus17 wrote:
Yeah not the greatest typist haha . I would have thought that more people would be taking banshee exarchs. Any advice for combos against chaos obliterators with termys or chaos marines ? I will be facing these often . Thanks Guys !!! :)

The problem with placing Exarchs in Close Combat units, is that when it comes to taking saves, the units closest (in base contact) must take saves first (both in the normal assignments, and in the Macro assignments). If the Exarchs die before resolution, the Inspiring isn't counted.

You can try to rely on the First Strike, but failure could hurt, and they'd probably still be the closest for any firefight attacks the squad receives. That's why Exarchs even in a close combat formation are usually Dark Reapers or the like. 6 Striking Scorpions + 2 Dark Reaper Exarchs, for example.

Morgan Vening
Author:  pyrrhus17 [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
wow !ok any suggestions for fighting terminators with oblitirators attached and avoiding them isn't an option as they are always front and center in the middle of the action .The only thing I see are shining spears any help would great (trying to get the hang of this autarch exarch thing just not getting it yet ) so no MW on the exarch /autarch that would have helped marines and chaos are just wipping the floor with any onther army that is fighting them as of late HELP!
Author:  Spectrar Ghost [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: autarch exarch placement
Remember you can premeasure. This tactic applies best with mobile (speed >15), pure FF formations.

First "prep" the formation with fire. Doesn't really matter how much unless your formation has BMs, in which case the goal is to give them more then the formation that will assault. Sustain the initiative with your Aspect formation, which ideally has no BMs. When you assault, units should be placed in the 10cm-15cm range band. It's your choice whether you want your aspects or any transports in front. Remember transports, as Skimmers, can choose to FF at any time, though. This will prevent any countercharges, and keep the terminators out of contact for two rounds of combat, should you need it. They won't get their CC MW attack, which is their biggest engage threat. They may not get all their stands in combat (clipping), and will therefore not be able to bring all their firepower to bare. This, possibly with a supporting unit, is probably the ideal situation for engaging termies.
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