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| Author: | Malakai [ Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
I'm looking for the rules that allows Harlequins to be used in a Swordwind army. Can someone post those for me? thanks |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
NetEpic has Harly rules as well as Death Jesters ... Don't know how that would equat to E:A ? |
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| Author: | zombocom [ Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
Quote: (Malakai @ 25 Dec. 2008, 00:33 ) I'm looking for the rules that allows Harlequins to be used in a Swordwind army. Can someone post those for me? thanks There are no such rules as far as I know. Army lists are all independent. "Allies" systems are just about impossible to balance. There IS a harlequin grand masque list which focuses on them however. |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
Quote: (zombocom @ 25 Dec. 2008, 13:10 ) There are no such rules as far as I know. Army lists are all independent. "Allies" systems are just about impossible to balance. Actually, there is a Harlequin "Allies" .pdf floating about; it allows you to add a single Troupe of Harlequins to any Eldar army (including Dark Eldar). It's hasn't been updated in a while. I'll try to track it down, clean it up, and post it in the New Year. |
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| Author: | zombocom [ Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
Not a good idea. Allies are unbalancable, especially if they say they're allowed for any Eldar list. If people want to do it in friendly games then fine, but having a pdf gives it a veneer of respectability it doesn't deserve. |
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| Author: | Malakai [ Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
It just sounds like a bit of fun to me. I don't think anyone will be showing up to a Grand Tournament with them, but having a pdf for them would be cool. Though I agree that a set cost for both Eldar and Dark Eldar armies might not be a good idea. |
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| Author: | Ginger [ Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
I believe this may be the list Chroma was referring to. Edit :- I have deleted the attachment as Tepoc has submitted a corrected version. |
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| Author: | Ginger [ Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
As far as I recall, although "fun", the list is generally considered very overpowered for a number of reasons and would not be used in any formal tournaments. Moscovian also created a "Harlequin Grand Masque" list inspired by this document (which is too big to load up here as a PDF). However, given that a single troop is horribly overpowered, I dread to think what an entire list would play like. |
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| Author: | Irisado [ Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
I used to field Harlequins in the Space Marine era, but balancing them for the current rules could be problematic in my opinion. There are always issues whenever you try to include allies, and while they have been included in the latest WH40K Eldar Codex, I don't feel that this has to be mirrored in Epic. No matter how you tried to balance them for use as an allied unit, I think there would always be complaints that they were either underpowered or overpowered. |
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| Author: | Malakai [ Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
Quote: (Irisado @ 25 Dec. 2008, 16:34 ) No matter how you tried to balance them for use as an allied unit, I think there would always be complaints that they were either underpowered or overpowered. Care to elaborate? |
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| Author: | Irisado [ Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
Quote: (Malakai @ 26 Dec. 2008, 00:12 ) Quote: (Irisado @ 25 Dec. 2008, 16:34 ) No matter how you tried to balance them for use as an allied unit, I think there would always be complaints that they were either underpowered or overpowered. Care to elaborate? There isn't really much to add. All I mean is that no matter how somebody tries to balance the Harlequins for Epic there will always be players who feel that they are not powerful enough, and other players who feel that they are overpowered. This is what usually happens with highly specialised units. |
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| Author: | Malakai [ Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
Quote: (Irisado @ 26 Dec. 2008, 17:19 ) Quote: (Malakai @ 26 Dec. 2008, 00:12 ) Quote: (Irisado @ 25 Dec. 2008, 16:34 ) No matter how you tried to balance them for use as an allied unit, I think there would always be complaints that they were either underpowered or overpowered. Care to elaborate? There isn't really much to add. All I mean is that no matter how somebody tries to balance the Harlequins for Epic there will always be players who feel that they are not powerful enough, and other players who feel that they are overpowered. This is what usually happens with highly specialised units. Perhaps, but I'm a fan of Harlequins and I think it would be worth it and fun to have them included as allies (non-official of course). After all, there are at least models for them. That's more than we can say for Dark Eldar and Necrons. It would be a shame to waste it. |
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| Author: | Irisado [ Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
Quote: (Malakai @ 26 Dec. 2008, 23:23 ) Perhaps, but I'm a fan of Harlequins and I think it would be worth it and fun to have them included as allies (non-official of course). After all, there are at least models for them. That's more than we can say for Dark Eldar and Necrons. It would be a shame to waste it. Yes, the models do exist, but I don't think they are available in the GW Eldar range at the moment, although I could be mistaken about that. If you've read any of my posts in the Eldar 40K forums on Warseer, you'll be aware that I'm not the biggest fan of Harlequins being fielded alongside Eldar Craftworld armies, and I think that they would be far better off being fielded in their own army. That said, the scale of battles in Epic is of such an increased magnitude, that the presence of Harlequins is more likely, so I am more ambivalent about their inclusion in an Epic Eldar force. If someone could come up with some balanced rules, then they could well be used, but I just fear that it would be almost impossible to achieve. |
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| Author: | Malakai [ Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
The models aren't available in the current Eldar range. There is a list for a Harlequin army already, but I don't think many people have enough Harlequin models for that. As far as Harlequins in the 40K Codex I'm glad that they are in it. Their background is great, the models superb, and other than the abomination that was the third edition codex they have always been a part of the Eldar. I'm sure they will also be in the upcoming Dark Eldar Codex as well. |
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| Author: | konate [ Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Harlequins |
Does anyone use the suggested 'friendly' rules for them in the Swordwind book? What do you think of those? |
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