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Author:  edwardp [ Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:00 am ]
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Hi all,

Got some more questions, mostly related to Eldar.  I'm starting to get the hang of them, but am still getting my rear-end handed to me by marines.  Anywho...

1 - Reinforced armor on titans vs. Holofields.  I assume 'Reinforced Armor' does not allow a re-roll of the holofield save.  In what situation would one want to take a 5+ save(with a re-roll) as opposed to the single 3+ holofield save?

2 - There's reference in section 1.1.3 to Webway Portals.  Is that the same as a Wraithgate referenced in the Biel-Tan army list(and provided for on a Storm Serpent)?

3 - Can a formation take an Advance action or a Double move action after people placed from a Wraitgate?

4 - Orbital bombarments.  I could be missing something, but the player specifies the location of a bombardment prior to the game(along with the turn).  Then hope that there are some enemy troops under it?  That seems like quite a crap-shoot.  What about additional Blast Templates.  Do they get placed in the same location?

5 - Blast Markers and Titans.  Does each BM surpress a single Titan weapon?  A Phantom armed with 2xMissle Launchers and 2xTitan Pulsar has 3 blast markers.  Would 3 of those 4 weapons be surpressed?

Thanks!
-Ed
Author:  edwardp [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:12 am ]
Post subject:  More Eldar Questions
Follow-up discussion/questions:

1 - According to 1.8.3 in the main book, it states that infantry can use one or the other saves against a hit, not both.  I'm assuming then that an Eldar player could opt to take the 3+ holofield save, or a 5+ save with a re-roll for Reinforced Armor.

3 - As far as Warp Gate usage, I activate a unit that is off-board and then place them at the location of the gate.  From there, I continue on with their selected Action(Advance, Double Move, Sustained Fire, etc)?

Thanks!
-Ed
Author:  Markconz [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:25 am ]
Post subject:  More Eldar Questions

(edwardp @ Aug. 20 2007,02:12)
QUOTE
Follow-up discussion/questions:

1 - According to 1.8.3 in the main book, it states that infantry can use one or the other saves against a hit, not both.  I'm assuming then that an Eldar player could opt to take the 3+ holofield save, or a 5+ save with a re-roll for Reinforced Armor.

3 - As far as Warp Gate usage, I activate a unit that is off-board and then place them at the location of the gate.  From there, I continue on with their selected Action(Advance, Double Move, Sustained Fire, etc)?

Thanks!
-Ed

1. 3+ Save against anything, and if failed a 5+ save vs anything except macro weapons or titan killing weapons.
If your holofields are destroyed (due to a critical result) then you get a 5+ save with a reroll, OR a 5+ save against macro weapons, OR no save against titan killers. Does that make sense? I agree it is rather confusing.

3. Yes.
Author:  edwardp [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:57 am ]
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#1 - Yes, that is confusing and doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  A logical interpretation would be:

An automatic holofield save.  This basically represents whether the titan is even hit or not.

If the holofield is failed, it would then receive it's normal armor save(5+), with reinforced armor.  So if hit by a macro-weapon(or TK), it would not receive a re-roll.  If it was hit by a regular weapon, it would receive a re-roll.

#3 - Would the following be valid?

A Storm Serpent activates, and performs an Advance action.  Fire's upon an enemy formation.  The Eldar player chooses to retain initiative and chooses to activate a formation off-board to arrive through the Storm Serpents Web Portal.  The offboard unit is then placed at the Storm Serpent and then performs its action.
Author:  Chroma [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:03 am ]
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(edwardp @ Aug. 20 2007,03:57)
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#3 - Would the following be valid?

A Storm Serpent activates, and performs an Advance action. ?Fire's upon an enemy formation. ?The Eldar player chooses to retain initiative and chooses to activate a formation off-board to arrive through the Storm Serpents Web Portal. ?The offboard unit is then placed at the Storm Serpent and then performs its action.

Yes!  That's the primary use of Storm Serpents.

Just remember that you declare the action your designated formation is taking *before* you roll the activation check.

You don't actually "place" units from the off-board formation initially, you measure the distance from the first move they make from the portal being used.
Author:  Niblebitzer [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:44 am ]
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(edwardp @ Aug. 20 2007,03:12)
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3 - As far as Warp Gate usage, I activate a unit that is off-board and then place them at the location of the gate.  From there, I continue on with their selected Action(Advance, Double Move, Sustained Fire, etc)?

When using Gate, your action must include moving, so only valid actions are
* Engage
* Advance
* Double
* March
* Hold(Failed activation & moving out) [1]

When you enter table, measure all distances from the portal.

[1] This has been debated if you could stay in Craftworld and reorganize wo moving out, but it has been reasoned that travelling through wormholes arent that safe and things can happen so you are forced to move out instead.
Author:  Markconz [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:55 am ]
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(edwardp @ Aug. 20 2007,02:57)
QUOTE
#1 - Yes, that is confusing and doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  A logical interpretation would be:

An automatic holofield save.  This basically represents whether the titan is even hit or not.

If the holofield is failed, it would then receive it's normal armor save(5+), with reinforced armor.  So if hit by a macro-weapon(or TK), it would not receive a re-roll.  If it was hit by a regular weapon, it would receive a re-roll.

Yes I kind of agree. However from a game balance point of view the way you propose it would be overpowered in the current situation. Think of the first 3+ save as representing the holofield combined with the armour.  The holofield is extra good at avoiding the the big MW and TK attacks but not quite so good at avoiding more numerous AT attacks perhaps, so the armour is working more against those...  :alien:
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