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Post subject: Tired of Arguement  Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:40 pm |
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| Quote (Chroma @ 13 Mar. 2006 (19:33)) | | Quote (VanDamneg @ 13 Mar. 2006 (19:10)) | Earlier in the thread someone suggested you could tie SR 5 into the Seer Council (very much like the farsight ability on all farseers). ?
What do people think? |
Well, tying SR to a unit makes for some, certainly lessens the benefit: ?Since nothing is on the board at the start of setup, Ulthw? would have SR4 at that time, because "off-board" units can't use their abilities.
To me, it seems most Ulthw? players are willing to pay a bit for SR5, so why not just let them pay for it? ?Spread it out amongst the units, heck, even just a rounded up 5% if the rest of Eldar go up 10% to balance them. |
Don't ask me why (I can't think of a good reason) but I'd rather not pay more for my units than other lists. I'd much rather have other balancing factors.
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Post subject: Tired of Arguement Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:03 pm |
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| Quote (VanDamneg @ 13 Mar. 2006 (20:40)) | | Don't ask me why (I can't think of a good reason) but I'd rather not pay more for my units than other lists. ?I'd much rather have other balancing factors. |
But point costs *are* a balancing factor.
You're not paying for the same thing anyway (other than in name): Ulthw? is buying a Falcon Troupe (SR5) rather than a Falcon Troupe (SR4), so they are different. Does looking at it that way help?
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Post subject: Tired of Arguement Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:18 pm |
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Gentlemen,
I fully agree with NH and some others that Ulthwe's problems do not solely lie on the shoulders of the Biel-tan list - however, many of the problems do lie there. As the Ulthwe is a derivitave of BT - one must start there. More latere...
I also fully agree with Chroma in that Ulthwe Warrior Troupe (S5) is something completely different from Biel-tan Warrior Troupe (S4) and as a result, the costs should definitely change respectively.
The reality of this is that the BT list needs to be fixed/tuned/tweaked to perfection first. If not to perfection, then the obvious problems should at least be rectified before the other lists can use it as a basis and point of reference for their development.
So I strongly recommend all grab the boot straps, and put some honest effort into getting the Biel-tan list fixed.
There are a few no brainer concerns such as Spirit Stones and a few formation/unit costs.
Get that stuff resolved, and the rest of the lists should absolutely flow.
This is going to take an honest and open minded effort by MC23 to make some hard changes. Without MC23's support to change the BT list, the Ulthwe efforts are simply going to be lost and good efforts on top of a bad foundation.
If you are building a house, you have to have sound foundation.
Cheers,
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Post subject: Tired of Arguement Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:42 pm |
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| Quote (Tactica @ 14 Mar. 2006 (16:18)) | Gentlemen,
I fully agree with NH and some others that Ulthwe's problems do not solely lie on the shoulders of the Biel-tan list - however, many of the problems do lie there. As the Ulthwe is a derivitave of BT - one must start there. More latere...
I also fully agree with Chroma in that Ulthwe Warrior Troupe (S5) is something completely different from Biel-tan Warrior Troupe (S4) and as a result, the costs should definitely change respectively.
The reality of this is that the BT list needs to be fixed/tuned/tweaked to perfection first. If not to perfection, then the obvious problems should at least be rectified before the other lists can use it as a basis and point of reference for their development.
So I strongly recommend all grab the boot straps, and put some honest effort into getting the Biel-tan list fixed.
There are a few no brainer concerns such as Spirit Stones and a few formation/unit costs.
Get that stuff resolved, and the rest of the lists should absolutely flow.
This is going to take an honest and open minded effort by MC23 to make some hard changes. Without MC23's support to change the BT list, the Ulthwe efforts are simply going to be lost and good efforts on top of a bad foundation.
If you are building a house, you have to have sound foundation.
Cheers, |
Very good point 
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