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Fir Iolarion Titan Clan List 2.1

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:24 pm 
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Cheers for the link, by the way, and I'll see if I can get some test games in. Any particular army you'd like to see the Clan fight?

NP about the link, figured it would help playtest ;D

Play whatever you feel like, but it be nice to see it against more locked down "Approved" lists....


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 Post subject: Re: Fir Iolarion Titan Clan List 2.1
PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:59 pm 
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About the spelling: Weeeell GW is a UK company, all the spellingin Wh40k books is in british so we should stick to british?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:20 pm 
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For me, 'spectre' falls into the category of words that are conspicuously spelled so they look more olde timey, like when a store has 'shoppe' in its name, except with a more Lovecraftian vibe.

See also: macabre, sabre

Maybe we could go the He-man route and call the titan 'Spector'


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:25 pm 
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semajnollissor : More than likely it's simply because all those words you just mentioned have a French origin, and the US spellings have drifted away from that.


I still don't really see the need for the Phantasm Titan. Its inclusion feels "fannish".

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Oh, and as for the sonic lances having 2BPs...

The problem with downgrading them to 1 BP each is that then they wouldn't worth taking. I would rather see 2BP with a range reduction to 30cm (or even 15cm), which would make them an assault-prep weapon.

Also, I'm going to go ahead and suggest a third scout titan weapon: a single shot TK(1) fusion lance style gun with 30cm range:
Starlance 30cm MW4+ TK(1)

That would be good for heavy tank hunting, and would be an easy weapon for me to draw up and print.


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Evil and Chaos wrote:
semajnollissor : More than likely it's simply because all those words you just mentioned have a French origin, and the US spellings have drifted away from that.

If by drift, you mean Noah Webster consciously changed their spelling to make them more "Americanized," then yes. Just think, if the colonists hadn't won the war, ol' Noah would have been thrown in gaol.

I shudder to think.


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heh, yanks are so funny.

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On Revenants and it`s Wh40k stats:

The Revenant isn't THAT different from the current Epic stats.
The Pulsars are exactly the same the Scorpin has but not twin-linked but two separate ones.

It has a Revenant Missile Launcher which would be only a 15cm AP5+ shot in Epic.

The Sonic Lances are kind of tricky. The range is REALLY short (only 18", the 15cm FF range is suppoed to be 24"). So either it is a 15cm 1BP weapon or something which gives some (15cm) Small Arms Extra Attacks (+2 each or so for a total of 7 FF attacks).

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One issue with scout titan weapons is whether we want to add a CC/FF weapon to the list. I would generally be against doing so (since it would go against precedent of scout titans generally lacking such weapons), which is why I suggested making the sonic lance into a short-ranged BP weapon.

The benefits of the BP weapon is that it gives the titan a good anti-infantry shooting attack that it would otherwise lack. Making it a 2BP weapon also allows for a single titan to create 2 templates instead of just one, plus actually allowing for a reasonable to-hit value on a double move. Otherwise, the sonic lance will always play second fiddle to the pulsar, with its better to-hit values and armor save modifier.

Start at 2BP for the sonic lance then scaling up to the phantom tremor cannon, we could give tremor cannon a longer range (45cm maybe) and 4BP. That would allow a double tremor cannon load to create three templates, putting the phantom titan on par with what a warlord or great gargant can do.

If it turns out that such high BP values upset point costs, then go to an a la carte point system like the AMTL uses. The Eldar have half the number of weapons that the AMTL does, so it shouldn't be as complicated to do, if need be.


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The Sonic Lances are kind of tricky. The range is REALLY short (only 18", the 15cm FF range is suppoed to be 24"). So either it is a 15cm 1BP weapon or something which gives some (15cm) Small Arms Extra Attacks (+2 each or so for a total of 7 FF attacks).

There is precedent for making some short range weapons that work out to be 15cm up to 30cm... Demolisher Cannons, Hellhounds...

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Heavy Flamers, Assault Cannons...

But only because of these precedences. A rigid translation would keep them very short ranged.

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I would also add that a 15cm 4BP weapon has a longer effective range than a normal 15cm weapon, since only one of the targeted units needs to be in range. You can easily get another 10cm of range from a 2 template attack. That's why a 15cm BP isn't so bad as one might think.


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semajnollissor wrote:
For me, 'spectre' falls into the category of words that are conspicuously spelled so they look more olde timey, like when a store has 'shoppe' in its name, except with a more Lovecraftian vibe.

See also: macabre, sabre

Maybe we could go the He-man route and call the titan 'Spector'


Or go the compromise route and add r both before and after the a... I mean e. ;D

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I like the English spelling better than the American one ("spectre" rather than "specter"), but well, I'm French so I'm obviously biased ;).

I think a no-crew "giant wraithlord" Ttian could be justified, but I'm not sure if it actually add anything to the list. I dislike the idea of a very large Eldar Titan (mega-gargant/imperator equivalent), since it doesn't fit very well with Eldar look and feel and design in my opinion.
Also, Wraith gates large enough to accommodate Phantom and Warlock Titans are already supposed to be relatively rare.

The addition of the older weapons options for the venerable phantom and warlock designs already allow them quite some customization.

I have a few ideas pertaining more to list organization that could be of interest; but I think I still need to think about those.


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I'd like to reaffirm my desire to see a secondary option for replacing the missile launchers with pulse lasers. I mean, there are still alot of the old lascannon wings floating around out there on phantom and warlock titans, and it might be nice to have the option to not spam so much AA in the list.

I figure that pulse lasers (2xAT4+ for revenents and 2xAT3+ for phantoms/warlocks) are more equivalent to the AA missile launchers than brightlances would be.


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