nealhunt wrote:
1/3 Restriction: I'm almost positive the restriction was removed with the idea that the BG formation should be priced accordingly, rather than potentially having its point discrepancy hidden by restricted numbers of formations.
While I'm not opposed to numerical restrictions based on background considerations, I do think that proper point cost is necessary regardless. If a formation is too powerful when taken en masse, it probably needs adjustment.
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I don't think we really have any major disputes on the design concept. It's implementation where there is disagreement.
I know that restrictions and ratios are less than ideal in list design, but in this case it both makes sense (from the fluff) and works from a list balance perspective. I think if the restriction is lifted and the cost raised to reflect their init1+ then they would become prohibitively expensive - with the current restrictions on their upgrades I could only see them being taken with wave serpents, which already makes it a 400pt fm and a tough ask in a list that needs large no.s of activations to work. I really couldn't see myself taking 450pt guardian+wave serpent fms, I'd much rather take a normal guardian fm with wraithguard and wraithlords for only 25pts more and have a considerably tougher nastier and harder to kill BTS.
If the restriction were lifted I would actually suggest going down the EpicUK route - make Black Guardians the only core fm, reduce their initiative to 2+, drop the cost to 175pts and allow all the current upgrades. I really can't see any point in them otherwise.
